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If these 2 probes ever faced each other which one would win? Would they fight at all? What would their rudimentary AI's would decide about how to treat it's very similar yet different counterpart?


Would they see each other as foes and attack each other, would they ignore each other thinking is a fellow imperial or Goa'uld probe respectively, would they join tentacles and sing kumbaya? What?

What are the capabilities of this Goa'uld probe aside from the obvious basic one of levitation and (presumably) flight?
-Mike

Mike DiCenso wrote:What are the capabilities of this Goa'uld probe aside from the obvious basic one of levitation and (presumably) flight?
-Mike

The Goa'uld probe is known to be equipped with a protective shield that can deflect small arms fire and a single rapid fire staff cannon plus like it's imperial counterpart is designed to report back to it's masters by sending a subspace signal.


The imperial probe in question is the one seen in TESB and not any ubber probe from the EU just to get that crystal clear.

But seriously would they automatically see each other as foe? I mean haven't you or anyone noticed how similar if not identical the 2 darn things are? Being probes they would try to find out what exactly their counterpart is about...

PunkMaister wrote:The Goa'uld probe is known to be equipped with a protective shield that can deflect small arms fire and a single rapid fire staff cannon plus like it's imperial counterpart is designed to report back to it's masters by sending a subspace signal.

I would like to point out that the Imperial probe, while armed with what can be safely assumed to be blasters at least on par, and perhaps identical in model, to the blaster weapons commonly equipping infantry, the probe is not shielded in any way. Han Solo was able to easily dispatch it with a side blaster.

The advantage may go to the Goa'uld probe due to its shielding. However, the victory will be short-lived; larger forces from both sides will be notified (the whole purpose of having a probe in the first place) and a larger scale battle will ensue.

The appearances are only generally similar. Neither probe would recognise the other as the same since it is highly unlikely that the two are not only different in configurations, but also would not have corresponding IFF transponders or other similar features. As for the Imperial probe droid, RSA did a fairly detailed examination of the TESB one here.
-Mike

ILikeDeathNote wrote: I would like to point out that the Imperial probe, while armed with what can be safely assumed to be blasters at least on par, and perhaps identical in model, to the blaster weapons commonly equipping infantry, the probe is not shielded in any way. Han Solo was able to easily dispatch it with a side blaster.

Actually, Han didn't dispatch the thing, it self-destructed.
-Mike

Mike DiCenso wrote:

ILikeDeathNote wrote: I would like to point out that the Imperial probe, while armed with what can be safely assumed to be blasters at least on par, and perhaps identical in model, to the blaster weapons commonly equipping infantry, the probe is not shielded in any way. Han Solo was able to easily dispatch it with a side blaster.

Actually, Han didn't dispatch the thing, it self-destructed.
-Mike

The blaster that the imp probe in Hoth was equipped with was pathetic as evidenced by the fact that it just barely lifted any snow and let alone melt any of it of the snowbank were Han and Chewie were taking cover from.

Mike DiCenso wrote: Actually, Han didn't dispatch the thing, it self-destructed.
-Mike

True but I doubt it would have withstood much longer the blasts from Han's gun that thing packs quite a punch...

Mike DiCenso wrote:The appearances are only generally similar. Neither probe would recognise the other as the same since it is highly unlikely that the two are not only different in configurations, but also would not have corresponding IFF transponders or other similar features. As for the Imperial probe droid, RSA did a fairly detailed examination of the TESB one here.
-Mike

As the same no but they would try to find out what the other one is about that is for certain...

And yes ultimately it would lead to a larger battle as both probes report back via subspace to their respective masters as programmed.

PunkMaister wrote:The blaster that the imp probe in Hoth was equipped with was pathetic as evidenced by the fact that it just barely lifted any snow and let alone melt any of it of the snowbank were Han and Chewie were taking cover from.

The Goa'uld prove wasn't glorious either.
But at least, it has as shield (doesn't work against low velocity impacts though).

In my opinion they'll fuck and marry each other.

Mr. Oragahn wrote: The Goa'uld prove wasn't glorious either.

That's pretty much the idea of probes; semi-expendable or at least very cheap with limited combat capability, if at all. These things are really analogous to a modern UAV; the MQ-1 Predator is probably as perfectly an analogous example as we'll find in the real world.

That said, I would still give it to the Gou'ald probe; it has demonstrated shields, and if its weapon is indeed just a staff weapon slapped-on, it should have, if I may say, some pretty damn decent firepower for what it is, compared to the shieldless Imperial Probe equipped with what's likely a low-powered blaster.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:The Goa'uld prove wasn't glorious either.
But at least, it has as shield (doesn't work against low velocity impacts though).

At least it's firepower was that of a regular staff weapon and not the ridiculously low powered blaster the imps had equipped their probe with.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:In my opinion they'll fuck and marry each other.

Interesting of all the thing probes have I had no idea reproductive organs were one of them, which one would be the male in your opinion?

ILikeDeathNote wrote:That's pretty much the idea of probes; semi-expendable or at least very cheap with limited combat capability, if at all. These things are really analogous to a modern UAV; the MQ-1 Predator is probably as perfectly an analogous example as we'll find in the real world.

That said, I would still give it to the Gou'ald probe; it has demonstrated shields, and if its weapon is indeed just a staff weapon slapped-on, it should have, if I may say, some pretty damn decent firepower for what it is, compared to the shieldless Imperial Probe equipped with what's likely a low-powered blaster.

If it came to a fight I'd say that too as the Imp. Probe's blaster was ridiculously low powered by SW blaster standards.

ILikeDeathNote wrote:

Mr. Oragahn wrote: The Goa'uld prove wasn't glorious either.

That's pretty much the idea of probes; semi-expendable or at least very cheap with limited combat capability, if at all. These things are really analogous to a modern UAV; the MQ-1 Predator is probably as perfectly an analogous example as we'll find in the real world.

That said, I would still give it to the Gou'ald probe; it has demonstrated shields, and if its weapon is indeed just a staff weapon slapped-on, it should have, if I may say, some pretty damn decent firepower for what it is, compared to the shieldless Imperial Probe equipped with what's likely a low-powered blaster.

The shield of that probe could repel any gunfire from those weapons:

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http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s7/717/ ... I_236.html
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That's for the shield:

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s7/717/ ... I_355.html
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PunkMaister wrote:At least it's firepower was that of a regular staff weapon and not the ridiculously low powered blaster the imps had equipped their probe with.

I think it was inferior, and it has an horrible aim.

Interesting of all the thing probes have I had no idea reproductive organs were one of them, which one would be the male in your opinion?

They're hermaphrodites.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:I think it was inferior, and it has an horrible aim.

Nothing in that episode indicated that it was less powerful than a regular staff weapon at least as far as I could see. As for the aim is concerned both the Imp and the Goa'uld probe sucked monkey balls in that department probably because they were never meant to be used in direct combat but just for reconnaissance.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:They're hermaphrodites.

LMAO! Still what would you consider to be their genitalia then? Their tentacles?

Damn you, thanks to you I'll never be able to see probes of any kind the same way again!

Mr. Oragahn wrote: The shield of that probe could repel any gunfire from those weapons:

I noticed that the soldiers had grenade launchers mounted on their M-16s. Did any of them fire those at the probe? If not, then all we know is that the Goa'uld probe can withstand kilojoule range kinetic impacts, but can it withstand megajoule range explosives or beam weapons?
-Mike

Mike DiCenso wrote:

Mr. Oragahn wrote: The shield of that probe could repel any gunfire from those weapons:

I noticed that the soldiers had grenade launchers mounted on their M-16s. Did any of them fire those at the probe? If not, then all we know is that the Goa'uld probe can withstand kilojoule range kinetic impacts, but can it withstand megajoule range explosives or beam weapons?
-Mike

The Goa'uld shield is designed to deflect a lot of high energy/high speed impacts but is useless against slow moving projectiles which is why the probe in question was ultimately downed by a hand thrown hand grenade that got thru the shields thus scoring a direct hit. Obviously the Goa'uld did not made it well armored as they simply thought the shield would more tnan make up for any lack of armor and under most circumstances it would except against a hand thrown powerful explosive.