What Scifi Starfighter can defeat an Arwing

[Enterprise E]

As the title says, what science fiction starfighter has the ability to defeat an Arwing from the Star Fox series at full power with its full weapons compliment in a one-on-one fight? Let's say that the combatants start at ten thousand kilometers away from each other. Also, the figher in question must be a starfighter. No converted freighters or transports like the Millenium Falcon or ships like a Starfleet Runabout or Delta Flyer, which are more like assault shuttles (at least in the Flyer's case) than a fighter.

[Mr. Oragahn]

I don't exactly know what their weapons are supposed to be, nor how powerful they are. All I can work from is memories of the first game and whatever I can remember of the sequel.
I'd say that it's not what I'd call impressive. Slow speed collisions critically damage the ship, weapons are slow and have a limited range, so do the fancy bombs.

Any decent starfighter with missiles or long range beam weapons would probably easily slice it.
Is there something that would prove such an assessment wrong?

[Enterprise E]

While range is an issue, in terms of power, they were able to vaporize those small trees on the Corneria in Star Fox 64, so I would likely place an Arwing's individual laser firepower as at least as high as a laser cannon on an X-Wing starfighter. However, those could be classed as game mechanics. However, their lasers were later able to destroy rather large asteroids about the size of the Arwings, so I think that that level of firepower would put them above their Star Wars counterparts. Their bombs, charged laser, barrel roll shields, and strong standard shields are what give them an advantage over many other starfighters, given that they can crash into asteroids head on and not immediately explode, unlike many other starfighters I've seen. Oddly enough, from what I remember, the Arwings' charged homing "laser" and homing bombs had a much longer range than the standard laser, and even the charged laser that had not locked onto any target so they may have better range in a one-on-one fight than one may initially think since they can lock onto opponents outside of laser range.

[Khas]

The first one that comes to mind is the Federation Attack Fighter. According to the script, it was armed with phasers and quantum torpedoes, and in "Sacrifice of Angels", a small group managed to inflict heavy damage on a Cardassian cruiser.

Another possibility is the Terran Wraith from StarCraft. While unshielded, they can fire while cloaked, and one once took out a communications satellite in one shot, as per the cinematic "Open Rebellion", with its laser cannons. Their Gemini missiles are shown in the game as being a lot more powerful.

If I wanted to be really nasty, I could send in a Jem'Hadar Fighter...

[Mike DiCenso]

The first one that comes to mind is the Federation Attack Fighter. According to the script, it was armed with phasers and quantum torpedoes, and in "Sacrifice of Angels", a small group managed to inflict heavy damage on a Cardassian cruiser.

The scripts are generally not considered canon as they tend to see a lot of changes when actually filmed. There are bluish bolts and reddish bolts fired from the Federation fighters thoughout SoA and WYLB, so you could possibly infer quantum torpedoes and or regular torpedoes, or pulse phasers from that. Shielding is a another big unknown since one good shot from any capital ship pretty much popped them.

The thing is do you allow for fighters as seen in other media? For example, maybe a fighter like ship from Lensman, or WH40k?

Another possibility is the Terran Wraith from StarCraft. While unshielded, they can fire while cloaked, and one once took out a communications satellite in one shot, as per the cinematic "Open Rebellion", with its laser cannons. Their Gemini missiles are shown in the game as being a lot more powerful.

What were the characteristics of this satellite? Was it shielded? How big is it, and was it shattered or vaporized?

If I wanted to be really nasty, I could send in a Jem'Hadar Fighter...

Except it's not a fighter, and it is more properly refered to as an "attack ship" numerous times throughout DS9. Sending a small (90-120 meter) captial ship in against a tiny starfighter is really unfair.
-Mike

[Khas]

Another possibility is the Terran Wraith from StarCraft. While unshielded, they can fire while cloaked, and one once took out a communications satellite in one shot, as per the cinematic "Open Rebellion", with its laser cannons. Their Gemini missiles are shown in the game as being a lot more powerful.

What were the characteristics of this satellite? Was it shielded? How big is it, and was it shattered or vaporized?
-Mike

I posted the link in another thread. Judging by the size of the laser bolt, the satellite was bigger than the Wraiths, and most of it was vaporized. However, the satellite was unshielded.

Here we see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjrxYJwmckE

[Mike DiCenso]

Judging from the video, only a small part of the satellite was vaporized, the rest appears destroyed by a secondary internal explosion, and we see modestly large chunks of debris flyikng away.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

You really need a manga or some cutscene to start quantifying the Arwing. Remember that it could easily be destroyed just by brushing against the ground.

[Khas]

You really need a manga or some cutscene to start quantifying the Arwing. Remember that it could easily be destroyed just by brushing against the ground.

Easier said than done. Most of the cutscenes are from Adventures or Assault. Adventures was a Legend of Zelda clone (with plot holes I could drive Spaceball One through), and all but 4 of Assault's cutscenes were similar to those "conference room" cutscenes from StarCraft. But from what I remember of gameplay evidence, at least in 64, an Arwing could survive a ctiy building falling on it. Granted, you'd take heavy damage, but it was survivable.

[Khas]

The first one that comes to mind is the Federation Attack Fighter. According to the script, it was armed with phasers and quantum torpedoes, and in "Sacrifice of Angels", a small group managed to inflict heavy damage on a Cardassian cruiser.

The scripts are generally not considered canon as they tend to see a lot of changes when actually filmed. There are bluish bolts and reddish bolts fired from the Federation fighters thoughout SoA and WYLB, so you could possibly infer quantum torpedoes and or regular torpedoes, or pulse phasers from that. Shielding is a another big unknown since one good shot from any capital ship pretty much popped them.

-Mike

In SoA, we see a Cardassian phaser beam fly at one fighter, but it stops just before impact. It takes another beam to destroy it. We can infer from the fact that the beam stopped that the fighter had deflector shields, even if they were weak.

As for another fighter that could defeat an Arwing, I wouldn't be surprised if a nuclear-armed Cylon Raider could, but without nukes, the Arwing would destroy the Raider in seconds. Or the Arwing destroys the Raider, but not before the nukes are fired, and both fighters get frakked.

[Mr. Oragahn]

You really need a manga or some cutscene to start quantifying the Arwing. Remember that it could easily be destroyed just by brushing against the ground.

Easier said than done. Most of the cutscenes are from Adventures or Assault. Adventures was a Legend of Zelda clone (with plot holes I could drive Spaceball One through), and all but 4 of Assault's cutscenes were similar to those "conference room" cutscenes from StarCraft. But from what I remember of gameplay evidence, at least in 64, an Arwing could survive a ctiy building falling on it. Granted, you'd take heavy damage, but it was survivable.

All at slow paces I suppose, considering how "fast" the Arwing is flying through most of the levels. It is certainly not Afterburner here.

[Khas]

You really need a manga or some cutscene to start quantifying the Arwing. Remember that it could easily be destroyed just by brushing against the ground.

Easier said than done. Most of the cutscenes are from Adventures or Assault. Adventures was a Legend of Zelda clone (with plot holes I could drive Spaceball One through), and all but 4 of Assault's cutscenes were similar to those "conference room" cutscenes from StarCraft. But from what I remember of gameplay evidence, at least in 64, an Arwing could survive a ctiy building falling on it. Granted, you'd take heavy damage, but it was survivable.

All at slow paces I suppose, considering how "fast" the Arwing is flying through most of the levels. It is certainly not Afterburner here.

True. I wasn't flying very fast when the building fell on me.

On the Subject of Star Fox: Adventures' plot holes, this video should sum up the game nicely.

[Mike DiCenso]

In SoA, we see a Cardassian phaser beam fly at one fighter, but it stops just before impact. It takes another beam to destroy it. We can infer from the fact that the beam stopped that the fighter had deflector shields, even if they were weak.

When does this occur? There is one scene I recall where a squadron of fighters does a flyby of several Galors, is shot at, but missed, then a second beam fires out and hits one of the fighers, instantly destroying it.
-Mike

[Khas]

Here's a video showing it. I know it looks like it misses, but the beam dissipates too quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMSSOcB1QxM

[Cocytus]

Are you talking about the impact at :25-26? If anything, it seems to me most likely that the fighters simply had armor of some sort, likely hastily retrofitted in time for the battle (remember Sisko was frantically pulling ships from all over the place to make up his fleet.) The first one we see destroyed was in direct contact with the phaser beam for about a second before it exploded and crashed into the Galor. The ship at :25-26 looks like it took a glancing blow that ablated some hull material (that bright blob at the end of the beam) then the second beam hit it dead on, destroying it.