Batman wrote:IF you think you can SUPPORT it post in this here thread or concede. There is NOTHING in the movies directly contradicting the ICSes.
No dude, you don't get it. I won't repeat myself and what other people have said because you keep asking for the same, to see what's already available, while I've pasted direct links several times now.
I already said there is a thread where you can directly talk about the geonosian fighter & LAAT issue. It's a fresh thread besides. No necromancy in check, if you're afraid ofthat (that would be, of course, another BS reason to weasel your way out of this situation you can't deal with).
You openly refuse to do so.
You have no excuse, and as such, you simply conceded the point.
Now it's clearly a question of definding your ego, since you're clearly not going to adress the point despite the numerous offers I made.
You're right, my bad. Alderaan totally didn't blow up. Sorry.
Nice strawman.
You're ignorant. It's not my fault.
Our views are established on this site. We don't hide them.
We recognize the full destruction of Alderaan. However, we refuse the concept that it was the sheer act of a powerful turbolaser.
Yes, there was some DET involved in that, but the secondary explosion has nothing to do with the beam at all.
Once again, there are threads about this issue. You can either search on page one, use the search button, or start your own thread.
If you refuse to defend your position, and rather limit yourself to argumentation fallacies of the worst kind, then once again, we'll understand that you simply concede the point.
Do you seriously think this qualifies as a point? By that reasoning, Superman is real. Afterall Superman comics involve air, and since air really exists...
... and since air exists... air exists.
I think you don't even understand the logic here.
The point is not to prove that the sun dragons, their cousins, the sylvians, elves or Superman exist.
It's to prove that the fusion reactors, the trees and the air do.
I'm sure
you can understand that.
There's no point for kids to now about Hansel and Gretel. Next.
No next. You're particularily blindfolded and obtuse, and you use pathetic dodges to avoid answering the question honestly.
Why do all their stories involve fusion cores and no annhilation cores?
Answer this with direct logic, or concede.
That'd be the point where I don't have to brother. We have plenty of evidence for fusion-defying power generation (and, incidentally, M/AM-defying power generation too). All YOU have is the in-universe equivalent of Little Red Riding Hood.
No, that's not an answer. You side track the subject of the question, by relying on pseudo-evidence that you're the only one to believe in, and yet you're never shown defending it.
Provide calcs, in a separate thread if possible.
Right now, what you're saying is that it must be right because God said so.
Huh.
Because-you say so. I must have missed the massive explosion when AOL fused with Time Warner.
Fusion, in the context of power generation, has one and single clear meaning that is relative to physics.
Given that M/AM annihilation can't power the stuff Wars use EITHER... Wars has the power generation depicted in the movies and elaborated on in the ICSes. Learn to live with it.
Given that thus far, you're flailing your hands and making unsubstanciated claims, I freely dismiss your BS.
On account of it being completely in line with DET and NO SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE FOR IT NOT BEING existing.
Yes, planets explode on their own.
But I see that Wong's neanderthalian technique, summed as "big green laser hit planet. guh. planet boom" works wonder on certain subjects.
But what else? It's been ages we've asked you to simply watch the damn movie for one of the most glaring facts, and you lot keep missing it, or denying it.
Besides trolling, I don't know what this is supposed to be. Stupidity maybe?
4-figure G accelerations in ROTJ. Mere seconds from surface to escape velocity. Have fun trying to do that with fusion. Repeatedly. On something the size of an X-wing.
"4-figure G" means what?
You're sure you didn't mean "4 digits G figures" instead?
And provide calcs.
I'll worry about that once Sarli's ravings are rated higher canon than the rest of the Wars universe. Or canon to begin with.
They're rated as high as the observations and calculations made by fans, as a matter of fact.
The other fact is that you had a hundred occasions to post calcs. But you didn't not.
In your next post, if you don't provide detailed calculations, I'll just ignore your pointless trolling.
One wonders then how you completely fail to do so.
I don't see what I fail at. However, you're showing a glaring lack of understanding of even simple logic.
Can you refute that the ICS is not more canon than any other EU product, according to the Holocron policy?
I'm eager to see your intellectual skills in action.
Well, what a pathetic counterclaim.
The bollockness of Saxton's claim is precisely adresed and demonstrated on the link I provided. With sensible calcs.
No it isn't.
It is.
Provide calcs or shut up.
As a matter of facts, no one has access to Saxton's calcs, so claiming they're better, like if anyone could check them, is reasonable.
I quite agree. They are and you can. Thank you.
The fact that you agree with something that is fundamentally stupid is rather telling.
I meant
unreasonable, for the record.
Remainder what? You have one blooper which is only revealed when going frame by frame, and this necesssites a convoluted and flawed theory that does not fit with the canon evidence?
You ARE aware that the canon (the HIGHEST canon) INCLUDES that, yes? And UNLIKE your theory the lightspeed weapon with tracer explanation covers ALL of it, and is supported by the EU, as much as you like to ignore it.
Ah yes, you mean a theory where lasers are fired in such a fashion that they loose much of their advantage, since photons are made spinning inside a pointless spiraling conundrum, as to allow a sort of tracer to travel along that "tube", nevermind if these weapons are manned by qualified technicians assisted by powerful computers?
I mean, what to choose between:
1. A cannon that fires lasers, which travel at c along a linear path straight to their target, and remain invisible to the enemy.
Or...
2. A canon that fires lasers, made spiraling within a tube, according to some overly complex mechanism, so now they take minutes to reach the same target, and are even more subject to photon scattering?
They're canon. The lightspeed weapon with a tracer explanation covers it. The EU supports it. SHOW THAT THEORY IS WRONG DICKHEAD.
That theory is insanely stupid in terms of military science.
It's ashaming that Saxton would so strongly
believe in it.
The fact that
you believe in it... is just normal.
Besides, you still don't get it. No weapon in Star Wars, not even in Death Star superlaser, reach their target at lightspeed or even near c.
The EU disagrees. The movies don't contradict. How abysmally stupid are you?
I don't know. I mean, you're calling me stupid, while you can't prove that even the so called invisible beams will hit their targets as they are fired directly (as in a linear fashion) and travel at c.
Provide evidence, because thus far, the movies DO not agree with that absurd idea, and only a fraction of the EU, written by some enthusiasts who've been taking "lasers" literally, seem to have seen a version of the movies that's rather peculiar, seem to fancy that idea as well.
As evidenced by...you saying so. When I very much doubt you'd be able to determine the yield OF A DET WEAPON IN A VACUUM to begin with.
Sure. We see a big round coming straight through the hull, without loosing brightness whatsoever, and generates an explosion inside the atmosphere of the ship (so much for vacuum) that is particularily non impressive.
No, that makes it clear you are either stupid beyond belief or straight out lying. And I suspect the latter. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the Star Destroyer was damaged in any way shape or form.
Your insults won't change the fact that you have provided no counter evidence, no calcs, no analysis whatsoever.
So dear troll, your concession is, again, wholeheartedly accepted.
When there is CANON EVIDENCE FOR LIGHTHOUR RANGES IN THE EU. Yeah, I'm the biased one. Show me the movie scene that actively CONTRADICTS THIS brother.
You're getting mixed up. You're asking me for
canon evidence, from the
EU, of light
hour ranges, when I say that the
films even dispute light
minute ranges.
Which particular part of HAVE TO DIRECTLY CONTRADICT are you too stupid to understand? I mean by now I assume your IQ is approximately negative nine billion but really.
If they could fight at such ranges, they had plenty of occasions to demonstrate so in the movies.
They didn't.
Even the best range mentionned in the novelisation, for the sake of repeating myself, is described as hundreds of kilometers.
It's rather simple. The "DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED 11!1!11!1!" argument falls miserably flat, from the moment one uses logic. Simple. *Some* of the EU pretends that the ships have a tactical advantage in weapon range.
Nothing of the sort is ever shown.
Just one example: Alderaan's defenses are never seen firing at the Death Star, which is only sitting at a couple of planetary diameters away from the planet's surface.
Yes, Alderaan's defenses consisted of weapons. This is confirmed by the novelisation, where Vader debunks Leia's "no weapons" claim (chapter VIII):
"The defense systems on Alderaan,
despite the Senator's protestations to the contrary, were as strong as any in the Empire. I should think that our demonstration was as impressive as it was thorough."
No, Alderaan had no shields, which is even confirmed by the EU's Dark Empire Sourcebook, page 125 (
source):
"Alderaan had no shields of any kind, so it was utterly vaporized. A shielded planet that is overcome by a superlaser may "merely" have its entire surface burned off or split into several pieces. Note that planets don't have to be destroyed to be rendered uninhabitable."
It only leaves range. This is just basically what I was saying back when I was still authorized to post on Spacebattles.com.
No it doesn't. It proves that they DIDN't, not that they CAN't. Of course you believe Dorkmoron knows what he's talking about so...
Actually, dorkmoron provides (sensical) calcs.
You do not.
So he does know what he's talking about.
And as I said, if such weapon ranges existed, we'd have seen them in action.
You will now show me the part of ROTS that shows they CAN'T engage at ranges exceeding that.
Acting like a little petulant tyrant now? :)
I'll rather provide the quotation from VP:
The Yuuzhan Vong warship just kept growing bigger and bigger as the X-wings sped toward it. The big ship’s aft end came up, allowing it to point its dorsal spines forward, along its line of travel. Golden light blossomed at their tips, then boiling gold balls of plasma shot out, arcing out toward the ships in the convoy.
The shots, taken at ranges of over five kilometers, were not terribly accurate for hitting small freighters. Even so, each of the ships in the convoy had a set flight path if it was going to escape the system. With the Yuuzhan Vong fire cutting across that flight path, a collision was inevitable.
We're talking about the YV ships which, at that time of the war, were ripping new holes to both major factions in the galaxy, the Republic and the Empire remnants.
@ WILGA
I don't think the plating that Grievous' foot crushed was armour at all, but just decorative stuff. Well, yes, it's kinda stupid of put that grey "decorative" stuff on the hull of a ship that is going to be horribly grey anyway, but I doubt the armour will only be about one thumb thick.