Tyralak wrote:OK, 2046. I had to think about how to reply to this one. I was frankly taken aback at your response.
Sorry. It wasn't an attack, I didn't think, or an attack on you specifically . . . I just didn't understand the purpose of the new board. I couldn't see what it was that would make it different and special.
Suffice it to say, you've taken as hostility what is, in fact, mere confusion on my part, based on the following:
1. ASVS, at least in its later years, was not a worthwhile place to spend time and was not populated by the best internet denizens.
2. The Vs. Debate has evolved and though there are many details yet to work out, the years have not been kind to the pro-Wars majority camp's position. Thus resurrecting ASVS seems almost an attempt to go back to the pro-Wars heyday.
3. I couldn't figure out what unique thing your board had to offer besides a more ASVS-specific Vs. theme.
The latter is just sort of a marketing concept, I suppose.
SDN is a very different kind of board, and not a place I want mine to emulate. SDN, IMHO took the worst parts of ASVS and magnified them. That isn't what I plan to do.
But by giving elevated status to the same old folks, I don't know how you'd avoid it. That's one of the places where I get confused. I mean, most ASVS regulars were basic closed-minded loser flaming trolls even before I arrived there, and those who followed the crowd to SDN have received even more socialization toward the idea that such behavior is normal, to the point that they eat their own.
The mention of Wong was merely because it seems to me his absence is the main thing which sets Club ASVS apart from the SDN board, given the presence of the same ill-mannered people.
Club ASVS is a true free-speech sci-fi board. Moderation is kept to a bare minimum, and you really have to work at getting banned. There will be NO bias.
But this means it's merely a numbers game, like ASVS was, and thus . . . as before . . . those with the higher numbers will be chums who shout down and try to intimidate foes, validity of arguments be damned. That's the exact opposite of the direction the Vs. Debate needs to take.
At least, that would be the case in regards to the actual Vs. Debate stuff. I realize you put low import on that side of it, though. Hence my mention of it being mostly a "Vs.-themed" forum, as opposed to an actual Vs. forum.
ASVS was ALWAYS about more than the VS debate. There were all kinds of discussions. {...} You wanted to know my "purpose" or what I want to accomplish? It's not hard. Fun. Amusement. The same reason most of us frequent these boards.
So it's a community board, then . . . meaning a place for people to get together and to continue the ASVS off-topic discussions moreso than the Vs. stuff.
But my point was, how would you draw people there from SDN, considering that the same folks have the same service there that your board would provide?
Then again, you make specific mention of easy moderation and free speech . . . is
that the crux of the thing, what makes yours unique? Do you have information that ASVS regulars don't feel like they can have free and open discussions on off-topic matters at SDN?
I've never paid too much attention to off-topic stuff there, so I don't know. I spend my off-topic internet time elsewhere.
If you're who I think you are, then I understand your butthurt about the place.
Butthurt??
By their own rules they were defeated on the facts, and I have moral victory, besides.
My explorations on canon and the superlaser and such have been
borne out by further comments by Lucas and now even
in their own precious EU, the latter in spite of
their best efforts to remake it in their own image by way of Saxton.
And of course, let's not forget that they are regarded as weirdo "Talifans" by the mainstream Star Wars fandom and
certain LFL personnel who've dealt with them.
Finally, add to that that I still live and live well despite their best psychotic efforts (another thing that they've
evolved over time at SDN to include foe's-area mapping projects, visitation discussions, called threats, and so on . . . though I note with pleasure your explicit rejection in the Club ASVS rules of such things as posting the personal info of others), and . . . well, to put it plainly,
I have the veritable trifecta.
2046 wrote:And also, Wong runs SDN off of servers and a corporate internet connection going to his house, all to the tune of like 1200 CDN per year, if memory serves, because free hosts couldn't cut the load. Surely your little HostGator.com account doesn't match that?
So, you're comparing a site that's been open for 3 days to a site that's been up for 7 years? That's hardly fair. Second I don't get your little snipe about my hosting service.
It wasn't a snipe. Hell, you probably have better hosting than I do. The point of that was that if you were gunning for Wong's market (which you say you aren't, so it isn't relevant), you'd need to be prepared for the server load (which you say isn't as bad as he claims, so that point is also moot).
I just know my pitiful hosting couldn't hang back in '04 or whenever it was. While I suppose I could get something that would now, though, the sort of board I would run would be a profound time vampire for me.