the atom wrote:Mike DiCenso wrote:Actually, it doesn't. It's an example of how one group practices in a questionable manner, yet is cheered on by people, while another group is vilified for no good reason, except that they bring up evidence and issues that the other side does not want to hear about because it goes against their beliefs.
Nobody 'cheers on' SDN members but SDN members. On virtually every other forum I've been to they're regarded as ultra hostile SW wankers to be jeered at, so I don't know where you're getting this idea. SFJ clearly gets a bad rep because of the way you all mope about how the mods favour certain people or franchises rather then putting forward good evidence and/or arguments.
Mmm... where do they get such bad reputation... oh wait, sure. They get it from SDN and SBC, by the same kind of people who finally manage to infect the minds of newcomers like you, by talking bullshit and pretending this and that about evidence.
This place has good examples of what went on when it comes to dissent, opposition in opinions and evidence.
You know little on these matters.
What conspiracies are talked about? Is complaining rightly to be called out as conspiracy theories now? How is pointing this out so bad, especially when the people who suppress dissent are in control over the two major boards, and one of them has been throughly documented as carrying out board invasions and other interesting tactics to silence critics?
'Suppress dissent'? 'Silence critics'? This isn't China. It's bickering between a few debate forums. I don't know about SDN,...
It shows, and also explains your ignorance about several things. Why you think you have a right to attack people despite your obvious limited knowledge on this question is quite beyond me.
... but on SB you can generally get by if you post good arguments with evidence to back it up, and pretty much every single whiner here has deserved the infraction and/or ban they got.
That is precisely false, by a large margin. SBC's versus board is simply influenced by two main groups. Pro SW, and pro 40K. The first group got me banned many times several years ago when I attacked the ICS frontally. By now, we see that this amount of bullshit went down and no one safe delusional idiots still go by the ICS and try to defend it.
Warhammed 40000 and some of its very vocal fans still get a free pass. That's largely due to the cohesion of that incisive fan group, and the immense work laid down by Connor. Yet, anytime you'll go through one of his major threads, the most minimal amount of critical thinking will tell you that he was simply full of it. That he has now backpedalled a little on the yields for infantry weapons gets barely noticed, and worst of all, despite the fact that his silly infantry weapon numbers are all over the place and there to remain, questioning of his numbers for 40K's larger assets is not allowed.
But things will probably get to change, for a simple reason. The more people talk about it, the more the opposition gets a voice. It's a slow effect, but it works out.
We almost had the same problem with Halo. Fortunately, Haloites were stopped clear in their tracks. Of course, they had to make a room for themselves between Star Wars and Warhammer 40000, and their short lived encyclopedia almost was a pure ICS moment of glory, before it got nixed. It's impressive, though, the level of hypocrisy there was over there, like how many would bitch about the SMAC's peta/teratons and other silly numbers, yet stay put when it came to SW and 40K. And yet, when we spend the time to look at the evidence, we see that it's not different at all.
But the key word being time, and there's clearly a lot of annoying work to go through to catch up with fans with a huge head start.
Calling or implying people to be conspiracy theorists and crack pots is just more of the same Poisoning of the Well we here have come to expect, Atom. So far I've rarely seen where anyone has shown clear evidence on the pro-SDN and SBC part that what we have brought up is actually just whining and blathering. It's easy to dismiss as such, because to actually deal with it is to admit to the problems that still plague those forums. -Mike
Railing on about mod suppression is conspiracy theorizing, which would be excusable if people like Kor or Mith actually backed their arguments up with things like evidence instead of speculation and/or lies. I don't know about here, but generally making shit up and then flaming people who call you on it is a one-way ticket to a free vacation from whatever forum you happen to be posting on.
Drop the conspiracy nonsense. It's mere group think and mods who just please some members because they can't be arsed to do their job properly, or let their own fanboyish opinions speak when they should, instead, by unbiased. It's largely proven matter. I invite you to read the appropriate threads.
