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[Admiral Breetai]

that was just...I'm sorry but DAMN oh lord that was messed up

I mean couldn't of happened to a nicer guy and all but sweet jesus

also what the hell is this referring to?

KSW's little essay about wongs personal life it was I think needless not that I'll shed a tear seeing who he was doing it too and all it's just theres attacking the man for his unscrupulous conduct as a member of the vs community and willfully endorsing all those taboos (though shalt not lie thy biased shalt not affect thy judgement thou shalt not make wars upon boards nor condone such actions unless thou be in defense of thine forum etc etc as laid down by the great Serge ) and his questionable actions and rationality as a member of the community and then theres making war on the mans personal life...

I mean he does it DOW's aren't above doing it but we should be able to take a moral high ground it was wrong when SB did the monkey taking a wiz on his wifes head and this is wrong now

[Praeothmin]

Breetai, stop aggravating SWST...

SWST, stop aggravating Breetai...

I see one more post, from either of you, repeating again how you both hate each other, no matter how polite, and you both get warnings...

Now, SWST, why don't you stop ignoring all the counter arguments to the ICS and lower EU canon people bring in your debates, and start adressing them concisely and logically?
Thanks!

umm so we're no longer allowed to point out when a poster makes a blatant lie and evidence evasion? hey that's friggen good t'know I guess all debate should just stop then?

Yes, you can, but stop doing it agressively, and give examples if you want your "dishonest pointers" to be taken as part of the debate, and not just trolling SWST...
For example, you can point how SWST, in the "List of expanded sources contradicting the ICS" keeps using the ICS as proof of the ICS being valid...
Or when he uses novels as proof that a BDZ is possible, but when confronted with the absence of such firepower in movies, refers again to the novels, lower canon, as proof of this possibility...
But then ignores novels which state the DS is not DET and is in fact a CR weapon when it suits his arguments...
That's how you point someone's dishonesty without trolling, ok?
Thanks.

[Admiral Breetai]

Yes, you can, but stop doing it agressively, and give examples if you want your "dishonest pointers" to be taken as part of the debate, and not just trolling SWST...]

I did give examples damnit and really not aggressively? this is a joke right? since when is aggressive debating bad form? and please don't start with "ooohh because they do it on Sb and SDN and KSW" seriously I'm not talking about cyberbullying..just simple calling a pile of bullshit exactly what it is

..
That's how you point someone's dishonesty without trolling, ok?
Thanks.

or I can actually follow the context of the argument which was his demanding of proof from kor or who ever then a really bad deflect towards me...and cite something a little more substantial then my opinions on what he does or does not do wrong in one thread and actually y'know cite moderated action taken against him for the very thing he is being accused of-y'know as opposed to confusing me for who ever the heck brought up his "arguments being pwned" or what ever started his current tempertantrum

that's how you simultaneously prove a person is trolling and save text space while functionally following the context of the particular drama..with out trolling ok? by citing moderated precedents and the persons over all history..

I mean unless you consider a history of warnings documented in this very thread for the very thing the other guy accused him of..and my simply citing it as a means to alleviate the situation and prevent further griping on his part as actual trolling

[StarWarsStarTrek]

SWST, stop aggravating Breetai...

I understand the pseudo-ethical/politically correct need to blame both sides for an argument regardless of whether or not both sides are actually at fault, but I had never instigated any of these "aggravation" wars, and was completely non judgmental in this thread; I barely even posted in it. Finally, after pages of sniping and insults at me, I respond with a post pointing out that none of these are backed up by evidence...and then we both get warned that we may get warned.

It's like the NFL; a player would push an opposing player, but the referee only happens to notice when the attacked player pushes back.

Me making ONE post defending myself against 8 pages largely consisting of (read: illogical and not backed up by evidence/sources) attacks against me requesting for EVIDENCE of these random accusations thrown against me results in me receiving equal blame for the flame war that I did not start.

Then, you imply to Breentai that I am the one being "dishonest" here (when Breentai literally responded to a request for evidence with:

lol no

), instead of taking a firm stance to not make accusations of me masturbating to Wong's wife and other things that would have gotten a pro Wars debater like me banned long ago.

I made ONE post IN SELF DEFENSE of attacks against me. Go ahead and look back on this thread to understand. Who made the first instigating post? The other side. Who made the majority of instigating posts? The other side. Who STARTED it? The other side. This is pretty FACTUAL; you can easily look back at the history of posts and find that, chronologically, it was the other side that attacked first.

So Praeothmin, nowhere do I intentionally ignore evidence (nobody has explained where I did this), nowhere have I instigated or aggravated a flame war, and nowhere have I deliberately lied. All of these stances of mine give me the benefit of the doubt, as all accusations have been suspiciously lacking in evidence.



But I'm out. In this "flame war". None of the opposing side has ANY evidence for their accusations, Praeothmin, do you understand the fridge hypocrisy of this? I am innocent, because nobody has ever bothered to even provide links to any examples of my dishonesty, explanations, etc.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

I apologize for the double post:

More specifically, Breentai came out on page 3 and made an accusation as to me being intellectually dishonest (although his post was a few sentences long and provided no examples, links, sources, evidence, etc.). It wasn't until page 7 that I posted in this thread.

What about "aggravating" did I do again?

[Admiral Breetai]

I'm sorry but this is laughable you got infracted that means you were found guilty of everything we accused you of yet you still claim there is no proof?

oh and I never accused you of beating off to wongs wife that's KSW you have a problem with that guys admittedly incredibly fucked up conduct take it up with him

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Getting infracted did not come with evidence of my guilt, so your reasoning that infraction = proof is a leap in logic.

And you got infracted too, so what's your point?

[Admiral Breetai]

Getting infracted did not come with evidence of my guilt, so your reasoning that infraction = proof is a leap in logic.

the mods are the final authority on this forum they charged you with complicity in all that we accused you of..that is final

And you got infracted too, so what's your point?

for hostility never for lying...

[StarWarsStarTrek]

the mods are the final authority on this forum they charged you with complicity in all that we accused you of..that is final

Final from what standpoint? From a "legal" standpoint, yes, but Mike withdrew a warning once due to having admitted to making a mistake (my communication though may have been incomplete)

From a factual standpoint, to think that your point is right because the Mods say so, as if they were Word of God (which neither Mike nor any of the other mods would claim, because we are all subjective beings), is silly, like thinking that any government is right.

Or thinking that Mike Wong is by default right that darkstar was an ass in SDN...because he's a mod! You are probably going to ridicule this, not realizing that you are usingthe exact same logic.

for hostility never for lying...

1. Is that any better?

2. If the word of mods is final, why do you argue with them? Why do you disagree with Mike's decisions on SDN? Why do you only stand by your claims when they support yourself?

[Admiral Breetai]

Final from what standpoint? From a "legal" standpoint, yes, but Mike withdrew a warning once due to having admitted to making a mistake (my communication though may have been incomplete)

from the stand point of them as a group sat down examined your posting history and our calls and came to the conclusion based off evidence you have ignored nonstop to the extent that a guy like Mr O an other wise civil dude has lost it on you yes I trust their judgment as being absolute in that sense a review like that is easily doable

From a factual standpoint, to think that your point is right because the Mods say so, as if they were Word of God (which neither Mike nor any of the other mods would claim, because we are all subjective beings), is silly, like thinking that any government is right.

oh it's more them having access to everything you've done and making a judgment call

Or thinking that Mike Wong is by default right that darkstar was an ass in SDN...because he's a mod! You are probably going to ridicule this, not realizing that you are usingthe exact same logic.

not especially no

1. Is that any better?

being honest and a bit of a mike tyson style poster is a whole lot better then lying SWST especially online

2. If the word of mods is final, why do you argue with them?

my argument with the mods if you paid attention and it's more with preao then any one else is the hyper PC ultra sensitive outlook not the actual decisions minus one..which was reversed

Why do you disagree with Mike's decisions on SDN?

because his inability to concede to cross over maniac that Obi-wan Kenobi would not hope to react to a speed blitz from the flash...and his issues with our trade federation vs the borg thread lead to a multi year long forum invasion which he condoned and supported the mods here don't make those kind of outrageous judgement calls one has some projection issues but it is certainly isn't even remotely on the same tier preao by extension is capable and has made as well as mike objective judgment calls

I'm curious to why your even bringing that up

Why do you only stand by your claims when they support yourself?

wait I think you had a grammar fart..are you trying to ask me why I support the mods only when it suits me? I've always supported them me taking issue with some of their policies regarding aggressive debating has very little to do with their ability to objectively look over a person posting history and determine their obvious guilt for lying and distorting that's two entirely separate issues

[User1630]

SWST you're an idiot and it would surprise me in the extreme if your job is anything above the level of janitor you stupid fuck-

but the only reason i bothered to post here was somehow KSW has been given credit for my DARTH WONG impersonation- that was all me. thank you and good night!

[Praeothmin]

SWST you're an idiot and it would surprise me in the extreme if your job is anything above the level of janitor you stupid fuck-

but the only reason i bothered to post here was somehow KSW has been given credit for my DARTH WONG impersonation- that was all me. thank you and good night!

And this sock account is gone...

[Admiral Breetai]

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And this sock account is gone...

in difference to the purpose of this thread and out of respect to you guys I'll ignore everything he says here from now on.

oh and Hi Mojo by mojo..

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

MoJo.....LOL

[Praeothmin]

So then, new tallies are:

Khas = 1 warning
(for his replies to KSW)

Admiral Breetaï = 2 warnings

StarWarsStarTrek = 3 warnings
(For repeatedly ignoring rebuttals to his arguments and repeating them over and over again without addressing the rebuttals, as shown on the debate about combat ranges, and for lacking any evidence for his arguments, even when some has been repeatedly requested)

Mr. Oragahn = 1 warning

Mith = 2 warnings for his abusive language towards SWST

Picard = 1 Warning, for

You are idiot.

directed at SWST...