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In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Jasonb » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:15 am

Simple factor is both sides using weapons that did not obey our own laws of physical we know it. Both Universe the law physical some what different then ours or at least we understand them. Even in Star Trek universe a personal in subspace bubble walk past force field. So no technology reason UFP modified photon torpedoes with subspace bubble. Galactic Empire shield unless. Phaser seem go right though shields for that matter main defector dish provide no protect against phaser hitting it. Star War fan logic be Empire shield some how protect against weapons never face before. Same problem UFP face the fact ISD carry weapons UFP never seen before either. However question I am asking who likely win race to design shield protect their side first.

My option the UFP for simple reason Empire us longer number 2 and 1 manned fighter without hyper-drives some of them are shield like tie bomber. So during any retreat the GE going have leave behind good number fighters. Which well allow the UFP study them include shields.

On the other hand Empire and UFP might well go out way capture the other sides weaker starships like shuttlecafts in order able study shields.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Lucky » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:28 am

Jasonb wrote:Simple factor is both sides using weapons that did not obey our own laws of physical we know it. Both Universe the law physical some what different then ours or at least we understand them. Even in Star Trek universe a personal in subspace bubble walk past force field. So no technology reason UFP modified photon torpedoes with subspace bubble. Galactic Empire shield unless. Phaser seem go right though shields for that matter main defector dish provide no protect against phaser hitting it. Star War fan logic be Empire shield some how protect against weapons never face before. Same problem UFP face the fact ISD carry weapons UFP never seen before either. However question I am asking who likely win race to design shield protect their side first.

My option the UFP for simple reason Empire us longer number 2 and 1 manned fighter without hyper-drives some of them are shield like tie bomber. So during any retreat the GE going have leave behind good number fighters. Which well allow the UFP study them include shields.

On the other hand Empire and UFP might well go out way capture the other sides weaker starships like shuttlecafts in order able study shields.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but EM based forcefields are used in Star Trek for a number of things. It likely won't be as simple as you make it out to be.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Force_field
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REED: If that thing continues to grow, we're going to have to find a way to contain it.
T'POL: Do you have a suggestion?
REED: Starfleet's been working on creating a stable EM barrier for the last five years.
T'POL: A force field.
REED: Right. They just haven't found a way to control the particle density. All the specs are in the database. I've been trying to jerry-rig a prototype of my own.
T'POL: And?
REED: I've got it stable enough to absorb a phase pistol blast sixty percent of the time. I think I can improve on that.
T'POL: I suggest you work quickly.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Jasonb » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:58 pm

Lucky wrote:
Jasonb wrote:Simple factor is both sides using weapons that did not obey our own laws of physical we know it. Both Universe the law physical some what different then ours or at least we understand them. Even in Star Trek universe a personal in subspace bubble walk past force field. So no technology reason UFP modified photon torpedoes with subspace bubble. Galactic Empire shield unless. Phaser seem go right though shields for that matter main defector dish provide no protect against phaser hitting it. Star War fan logic be Empire shield some how protect against weapons never face before. Same problem UFP face the fact ISD carry weapons UFP never seen before either. However question I am asking who likely win race to design shield protect their side first.

My option the UFP for simple reason Empire us longer number 2 and 1 manned fighter without hyper-drives some of them are shield like tie bomber. So during any retreat the GE going have leave behind good number fighters. Which well allow the UFP study them include shields.

On the other hand Empire and UFP might well go out way capture the other sides weaker starships like shuttlecafts in order able study shields.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but EM based forcefields are used in Star Trek for a number of things. It likely won't be as simple as you make it out to be.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Force_field
Vox Sola

REED: If that thing continues to grow, we're going to have to find a way to contain it.
T'POL: Do you have a suggestion?
REED: Starfleet's been working on creating a stable EM barrier for the last five years.
T'POL: A force field.
REED: Right. They just haven't found a way to control the particle density. All the specs are in the database. I've been trying to jerry-rig a prototype of my own.
T'POL: And?
REED: I've got it stable enough to absorb a phase pistol blast sixty percent of the time. I think I can improve on that.
T'POL: I suggest you work quickly.
Ok why was the NX Enterprise crew unable reverse engine working shields. When NX Enterprise had even capture vehicle had working shields. Not include at least one date base on Xindi warship working shields. The answer is the techology likely lot more complex
block phaser pistol might one block phaser cannon might total different story.

For example in Star Terk voyager a crew-member able walk though a force field with a subspace bubble and phaser set able setting right though a enemy shields even in Star Trek universe. For that matter it can even get though must from armor if phaser set right.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Subspace_bubble

So again likley be long and blood war with neither side shield provide much protect.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Lucky » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:40 am

Lucky wrote:
Jasonb wrote:Simple factor is both sides using weapons that did not obey our own laws of physical we know it. Both Universe the law physical some what different then ours or at least we understand them. Even in Star Trek universe a personal in subspace bubble walk past force field. So no technology reason UFP modified photon torpedoes with subspace bubble. Galactic Empire shield unless. Phaser seem go right though shields for that matter main defector dish provide no protect against phaser hitting it. Star War fan logic be Empire shield some how protect against weapons never face before. Same problem UFP face the fact ISD carry weapons UFP never seen before either. However question I am asking who likely win race to design shield protect their side first.

My option the UFP for simple reason Empire us longer number 2 and 1 manned fighter without hyper-drives some of them are shield like tie bomber. So during any retreat the GE going have leave behind good number fighters. Which well allow the UFP study them include shields.

On the other hand Empire and UFP might well go out way capture the other sides weaker starships like shuttlecafts in order able study shields.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but EM based forcefields are used in Star Trek for a number of things. It likely won't be as simple as you make it out to be.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Force_field
Vox Sola

REED: If that thing continues to grow, we're going to have to find a way to contain it.
T'POL: Do you have a suggestion?
REED: Starfleet's been working on creating a stable EM barrier for the last five years. T'POL: A force field.
REED: Right. They just haven't found a way to control the particle density. All the specs are in the database. I've been trying to jerry-rig a prototype of my own.
T'POL: And?
REED: I've got it stable enough to absorb a phase pistol blast sixty percent of the time. I think I can improve on that.
T'POL: I suggest you work quickly.
Jasonb wrote:Ok why was the NX Enterprise crew unable reverse engine working shields. When NX Enterprise had even capture vehicle had working shields. Not include at least one date base on Xindi warship working shields. The answer is the techology likely lot more complex
block phaser pistol might one block phaser cannon might total different story.

For example in Star Terk voyager a crew-member able walk though a force field with a subspace bubble and phaser set able setting right though a enemy shields even in Star Trek universe. For that matter it can even get though must from armor if phaser set right.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Subspace_bubble

So again likley be long and blood war with neither side shield provide much protect.
But the Federation and similar powers can casual walk through shields. You are sighting exceptions rather then the norm.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Jasonb » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:16 am

Lucky wrote:
Lucky wrote:
Jasonb wrote:Simple factor is both sides using weapons that did not obey our own laws of physical we know it. Both Universe the law physical some what different then ours or at least we understand them. Even in Star Trek universe a personal in subspace bubble walk past force field. So no technology reason UFP modified photon torpedoes with subspace bubble. Galactic Empire shield unless. Phaser seem go right though shields for that matter main defector dish provide no protect against phaser hitting it. Star War fan logic be Empire shield some how protect against weapons never face before. Same problem UFP face the fact ISD carry weapons UFP never seen before either. However question I am asking who likely win race to design shield protect their side first.

My option the UFP for simple reason Empire us longer number 2 and 1 manned fighter without hyper-drives some of them are shield like tie bomber. So during any retreat the GE going have leave behind good number fighters. Which well allow the UFP study them include shields.

On the other hand Empire and UFP might well go out way capture the other sides weaker starships like shuttlecafts in order able study shields.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but EM based forcefields are used in Star Trek for a number of things. It likely won't be as simple as you make it out to be.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Force_field
Vox Sola

REED: If that thing continues to grow, we're going to have to find a way to contain it.
T'POL: Do you have a suggestion?
REED: Starfleet's been working on creating a stable EM barrier for the last five years. T'POL: A force field.
REED: Right. They just haven't found a way to control the particle density. All the specs are in the database. I've been trying to jerry-rig a prototype of my own.
T'POL: And?
REED: I've got it stable enough to absorb a phase pistol blast sixty percent of the time. I think I can improve on that.
T'POL: I suggest you work quickly.
Jasonb wrote:Ok why was the NX Enterprise crew unable reverse engine working shields. When NX Enterprise had even capture vehicle had working shields. Not include at least one date base on Xindi warship working shields. The answer is the techology likely lot more complex
block phaser pistol might one block phaser cannon might total different story.

For example in Star Terk voyager a crew-member able walk though a force field with a subspace bubble and phaser set able setting right though a enemy shields even in Star Trek universe. For that matter it can even get though must from armor if phaser set right.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Subspace_bubble

So again likley be long and blood war with neither side shield provide much protect.
But the Federation and similar powers can casual walk through shields. You are sighting exceptions rather then the norm.
Not entire safe personal to do it she risk her life. Also at least some TNG you could beam though a force field you could not safety beam though shields normal anyway. So force fields all honest not same shields that Star Trek normal uses. Also on topic it we did not know force field that Star Terk use violation any law of phyical.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Jasonb » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:16 am

Lucky wrote:
Lucky wrote:
Jasonb wrote:Simple factor is both sides using weapons that did not obey our own laws of physical we know it. Both Universe the law physical some what different then ours or at least we understand them. Even in Star Trek universe a personal in subspace bubble walk past force field. So no technology reason UFP modified photon torpedoes with subspace bubble. Galactic Empire shield unless. Phaser seem go right though shields for that matter main defector dish provide no protect against phaser hitting it. Star War fan logic be Empire shield some how protect against weapons never face before. Same problem UFP face the fact ISD carry weapons UFP never seen before either. However question I am asking who likely win race to design shield protect their side first.

My option the UFP for simple reason Empire us longer number 2 and 1 manned fighter without hyper-drives some of them are shield like tie bomber. So during any retreat the GE going have leave behind good number fighters. Which well allow the UFP study them include shields.

On the other hand Empire and UFP might well go out way capture the other sides weaker starships like shuttlecafts in order able study shields.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but EM based forcefields are used in Star Trek for a number of things. It likely won't be as simple as you make it out to be.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Force_field
Vox Sola

REED: If that thing continues to grow, we're going to have to find a way to contain it.
T'POL: Do you have a suggestion?
REED: Starfleet's been working on creating a stable EM barrier for the last five years. T'POL: A force field.
REED: Right. They just haven't found a way to control the particle density. All the specs are in the database. I've been trying to jerry-rig a prototype of my own.
T'POL: And?
REED: I've got it stable enough to absorb a phase pistol blast sixty percent of the time. I think I can improve on that.
T'POL: I suggest you work quickly.
Jasonb wrote:Ok why was the NX Enterprise crew unable reverse engine working shields. When NX Enterprise had even capture vehicle had working shields. Not include at least one date base on Xindi warship working shields. The answer is the techology likely lot more complex
block phaser pistol might one block phaser cannon might total different story.

For example in Star Terk voyager a crew-member able walk though a force field with a subspace bubble and phaser set able setting right though a enemy shields even in Star Trek universe. For that matter it can even get though must from armor if phaser set right.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Subspace_bubble

So again likley be long and blood war with neither side shield provide much protect.
But the Federation and similar powers can casual walk through shields. You are sighting exceptions rather then the norm.
Not entire safe personal to do it she risk her life. Also at least some TNG you could beam though a force field you could not safety beam though shields normal anyway. So force fields all honest not same shields that Star Trek normal uses. Also on topic it we did not know force field that Star Terk use violation any law of phyical.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Lucky » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:23 am

Jasonb wrote: Not entire safe personal to do it she risk her life. Also at least some TNG you could beam though a force field you could not safety beam though shields normal anyway. So force fields all honest not same shields that Star Trek normal uses. Also on topic it we did not know force field that Star Terk use violation any law of phyical.
Being able to walk through a shield depends on the design of the shield. You can't assume Star Wars shield will be useless simply because the UFP can bypass some shields.

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Re: In Star Terk vrs Star War face unlikely shields work

Post by Jasonb » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:55 am

Lucky wrote:
Jasonb wrote: Not entire safe personal to do it she risk her life. Also at least some TNG you could beam though a force field you could not safety beam though shields normal anyway. So force fields all honest not same shields that Star Trek normal uses. Also on topic it we did not know force field that Star Terk use violation any law of phyical.
Being able to walk through a shield depends on the design of the shield. You can't assume Star Wars shield will be useless simply because the UFP can bypass some shields.
Simple problem no reason Star War shield any protect weapon manipulate subspace weapons or other Star Trek law of physical in mind. Fact in Star Terk universe UFP design every part starship protect from everything for example main defector dish can stop laser even some KE weapons not photon torpedoes or phasers. UFP design their shields protect against everything that existed universe to best that they understand the law of physical. Same go for GE in Star War universe. Nether side have design shield total different law of physical which seem violate law of physical that they understand.

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