ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:02 pm

We know from TCW's "Shadows of Malevolance" that Clone Trooper armor can withstand vacuum conditions for a short span of time, though this is not enough to allow serious long term EVAs for demolition work. Conversely the Imperials might send droids to go do the dirty work, if such a capability exists.

We have seen also seen two Stormtroopers in ANH standng on the hull of the first Death Star as the Millennium Falcon was being tractored into the docking bay trench and subsequently Docking Bay 327. What they were doing out there is anyone's guess next to two huge gun turrets as they don't even seem to be armed. The troopers are seen in a screencap available at RSA's Death Star Scaling pages here.
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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Picard » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:54 pm

Yes, that will do. Thanks.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Kahless » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:01 pm

As I said before, one of the best tactics the GCS defenders can do is to retreat slowly towards the inner compartments of the ship, setting up forcefields, traps and make balls to the walls use of phasers set on kill and widespread.
I agree, that's what we can reasonably expect to see.
There is also issue with number of troops GCS can carry
I imagine that we would have to assume the total crew compliment. One can reasonably expect that the entire crew would be well trained in CQB tactics.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Picard » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:08 pm

Then it is about 1014 people (standard complement) plus maybe unknown number of Marines.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:03 pm

The E-D in the regular timeline did not carry more than 1014, a number of those were civilian family, and there is little to no indication of marines carried onboard in addition to that. In the alternate timeline of "Yesterday's Enterpise", the E-D could carry 7,000 troops. But we do not know for certain if that is in addition to the regular crew.
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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by theta_pinch » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:22 pm

The stormtroopers board the galaxy class. They get confiscated by shields and then all the air is drained from the shielded area killing the stormtroopers. The galaxy class ship starts transporting officers off the ship and into the brig. They also transport stormtroopers into the cargo bay where a force field is erected to serve as a temporary brig. While doing that they transport officers onto the bridge and to engineering to take over the ISD.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:33 pm

It's possible the sealing isn't particularly comfy and most troops do without it when they can.

Now, wasn't there a TCW episode which featured a virus still managing to make it through the seals of the clonetroopers' suits or something?

Mind you, the OP didn't remove the beaming capacity for the GCS, but neither removed the jamming capacity for the ISD. Wouldn't the ISD crew by jamming the nearby ship like crazy to mask their troops' movement?

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by theta_pinch » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:42 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:It's possible the sealing isn't particularly comfy and most troops do without it when they can.

Now, wasn't there a TCW episode which featured a virus still managing to make it through the seals of the clonetroopers' suits or something?

Mind you, the OP didn't remove the beaming capacity for the GCS, but neither removed the jamming capacity for the ISD. Wouldn't the ISD crew by jamming the nearby ship like crazy to mask their troops' movement?
But there is also the question of weather the ISDs' jamming can affect internal sensors and subspace communicators since star wars jamming just blocks hyperspace communications and subspace is different.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Trinoya » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:38 pm

Best option for the Galaxy: Forcefields to protect critical sections, venting atmosphere or otherwise destroying all the connection points, using transporters and shuttle craft for the rest.

If they are smart about it they could, in theory, neutralize the entire crew of an ISD with toxins, or just target critical areas of the ship.

Of course if they leave those walkways connected or otherwise allow the ISD crew on board they will just be zerg'd. The number disparity is simply too great for anything other than trying to be stealthy, and starfleet doesn't quickly jump to the stealth route. I might actually just have to throw this one in the ISD camp.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:42 pm

theta_pinch wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:It's possible the sealing isn't particularly comfy and most troops do without it when they can.

Now, wasn't there a TCW episode which featured a virus still managing to make it through the seals of the clonetroopers' suits or something?

Mind you, the OP didn't remove the beaming capacity for the GCS, but neither removed the jamming capacity for the ISD. Wouldn't the ISD crew by jamming the nearby ship like crazy to mask their troops' movement?
But there is also the question of weather the ISDs' jamming can affect internal sensors and subspace communicators since star wars jamming just blocks hyperspace communications and subspace is different.
Strong magnetic fields mess up with teleportation sensors, don't they? Or did I miss something?

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by theta_pinch » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:49 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
theta_pinch wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:It's possible the sealing isn't particularly comfy and most troops do without it when they can.

Now, wasn't there a TCW episode which featured a virus still managing to make it through the seals of the clonetroopers' suits or something?

Mind you, the OP didn't remove the beaming capacity for the GCS, but neither removed the jamming capacity for the ISD. Wouldn't the ISD crew by jamming the nearby ship like crazy to mask their troops' movement?
But there is also the question of weather the ISDs' jamming can affect internal sensors and subspace communicators since star wars jamming just blocks hyperspace communications and subspace is different.
Strong magnetic fields mess up with teleportation sensors, don't they? Or did I miss something?
From what I can find magnetic fields just block transporting not the transporter sensors.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:02 pm

That still solves most of the issue, as far as the Imperial crew are concerned. And that's even more bad news for redshirts (which are going to get even more red).

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by theta_pinch » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:29 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:That still solves most of the issue, as far as the Imperial crew are concerned. And that's even more bad news for redshirts (which are going to get even more red).
That does present a bigger problem for stormtroopers though. If magnetic fields are being used as jamming then the stormtroopers boarding the Enterprise won't be able to communicate with the ISD.

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Re: ISD vs Galaxy class with a twist

Post by theta_pinch » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:10 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:That still solves most of the issue, as far as the Imperial crew are concerned. And that's even more bad news for redshirts (which are going to get even more red).
I just checked and it turns out magnetic fields are used as forcefields to keep air in, and to keep solar radiation out; not for jamming; to jam they use jamming signals. So it's unlikely they are going to have magnetic shielding on unless the ships are near a star.

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