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First Problem that simple the able of the Klingon Empire to do with what you suggested. Fact Weyoun suggestion the Dominion need massive number starships and troops even by standers order successful conqueror UFP. Why speck sound like lot even by Dominion fleet standers. So unless you suggestion that the Klngon Empire as over 30,000 starships in Yesterday Enterprise timeline. Which be about 15 times more then the Klingon Empire had normal timeline and be able spare the man power need and have some starship top that protect own Territory. First problem with you idea the UFP simple to vast for Klingon Empire to do suggestion.

The Klingons had more that 2000 ships in the dominion war, they were able to adapt over 1500 ships to the Breen's energy dampening weapon within one day. From what I could tell from how they were generally shown, the Klingons have more, less powerful, ships than the Federation.

Other problem is factor Klingon Empire also even if had the starships need and man power need to do you suggestion leave Klingon Empire defenseless would lose fruit labor Romulus and Cardassion and so on. The Klingon way not leave Klingon Empire near to defenseless to possible invade force. During the Dominion war the Klingon Empire did send ever starships hold the lines. Also in normal timeline the Klingon little over stretch try conquest the Cardassion Union.

I am not suggesting that the Klingon Empire would maintain control over all of the Federation, merely that they would destroy/capture its government structure, major resources, and major ideals centers, so for a while it would be non existent. Essentially shattering the foundation of the Federation in the hopes that it would not return to bother them again. This still does not require that the Klingons would need to be nice to the conquered people, largely making surrender an unfavorable option.

Also, in the pre-Dominion War Klingon wars, it seemed that the Klingons took on the Cardassians without a problem, it was only after they engaged the Federation in combat at the same time that they began to over stretch themselves. This lead to the eventual cease of hostilities on both fronts.

[Jasonb]

First Problem that simple the able of the Klingon Empire to do with what you suggested. Fact Weyoun suggestion the Dominion need massive number starships and troops even by standers order successful conqueror UFP. Why speck sound like lot even by Dominion fleet standers. So unless you suggestion that the Klngon Empire as over 30,000 starships in Yesterday Enterprise timeline. Which be about 15 times more then the Klingon Empire had normal timeline and be able spare the man power need and have some starship top that protect own Territory. First problem with you idea the UFP simple to vast for Klingon Empire to do suggestion.

The Klingons had more that 2000 ships in the dominion war, they were able to adapt over 1500 ships to the Breen's energy dampening weapon within one day. From what I could tell from how they were generally shown, the Klingons have more, less powerful, ships than the Federation.

Other problem is factor Klingon Empire also even if had the starships need and man power need to do you suggestion leave Klingon Empire defenseless would lose fruit labor Romulus and Cardassion and so on. The Klingon way not leave Klingon Empire near to defenseless to possible invade force. During the Dominion war the Klingon Empire did send ever starships hold the lines. Also in normal timeline the Klingon little over stretch try conquest the Cardassion Union.

I am not suggesting that the Klingon Empire would maintain control over all of the Federation, merely that they would destroy/capture its government structure, major resources, and major ideals centers, so for a while it would be non existent. Essentially shattering the foundation of the Federation in the hopes that it would not return to bother them again. This still does not require that the Klingons would need to be nice to the conquered people, largely making surrender an unfavorable option.

Also, in the pre-Dominion War Klingon wars, it seemed that the Klingons took on the Cardassians without a problem, it was only after they engaged the Federation in combat at the same time that they began to over stretch themselves. This lead to the eventual cease of hostilities on both fronts.

Klingon way normal conquest group first place which the UFP just to vast for that to be option. have. In one case having Klignon Empire conquest another race Romulan still live on Romulus. Cardassion Union likely the same thing as when come Cardassion Union likely PR issues well. Since they not want look conquest but protesters. All case the Klingon conquest a race they never did it. TOS we saw they did to the Organia they basic put down curfew and marshal law not much worst. We no real example KLingon Empire doing what you suggestioning. Beside Klingon devote mass fleet order in force some member world likely 7,000 light years away. However what I am suggestion Klingon Empire did we have something simlier first often return to peace return territories and agree allow Klingon keep Territory conquers.

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TOS we saw they did to the Organia they basic put down curfew and marshal law not much worst. We no real example KLingon Empire doing what you suggestioning.

If you are referring to the episode I think you are, then I would like to point out that later in that episode the Klingons massacred hundreds of villagers for Kirk's resistance.

[Jasonb]

TOS we saw they did to the Organia they basic put down curfew and marshal law not much worst. We no real example KLingon Empire doing what you suggestioning.

If you are referring to the episode I think you are, then I would like to point out that later in that episode the Klingons massacred hundreds of villagers for Kirk's resistance.

Or klingon at least said they did we did know using that way presser Kirk. Another piece evidence Klingon interest fleet location conquest Gamma Hydra right near the Klingon, Romulan and UFP borders.

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Or klingon at least said they did we did know using that way presser Kirk. Another piece evidence Klingon interest fleet location conquest Gamma Hydra right near the Klingon, Romulan and UFP borders.

They did kill them, just none of them actually died because they were actually strange aliens composed of energy... etc.

Anyway the point of all of this is that the Federation would not just surrender to the Klingons because it is convenient.

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Plus Picard said the Federation was losing the war...

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Plus Picard said the Federation was losing the war...

Pircard statement tells that war going very badly much worst general know in six months we might have no choice but surrender. Make no sense unless Territory war if Dominion trouble occupation entire UFP take huge fleets starships and mass occupation army the Klingon Empire hopeless case. UFP could just fight the hit run tactic fighters against Klingon warships hidden base though out Territory. So Pircard statement only make sense Territory war. In which case UFP unwilling sacrifice major population centers.

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The Dominion was going to try and occupy the Federation. The Klingon Empire would likely settle for smashing the Federation government and taking its resources, not maintaining control over the region through government, which is much more difficult.

[Jasonb]

The Dominion was going to try and occupy the Federation. The Klingon Empire would likely settle for smashing the Federation government and taking its resources, not maintaining control over the region through government, which is much more difficult.

To be honest I personal think Klingon Empire to scare Section 31 response even try it. Oh my god section section 31 had banless cannon Bashir said in DS9 Extreme Measures something like that. That unlikely that only super weapon section 31 has.

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To be honest I personal think Klingon Empire to scare Section 31 response even try it.

Given that the major powers, at least as far as I could tell, including the Federation did not know of the existence of Section 31, I find it unlikely that it would detour the Klingons from destroying the Federation.

Oh my god section section 31 had banless cannon Bashir said in DS9 Extreme Measures something like that. That unlikely that only super weapon section 31 has.

Aside from the virus introduced to the Klingons in Enterprise Section 31 has never used a large scale attack. Also use of either subspace or biogenic weaponry would not have gone unnoticed, so they do not appear to ever use them.

[Jasonb]

To be honest I personal think Klingon Empire to scare Section 31 response even try it.

Given that the major powers, at least as far as I could tell, including the Federation did not know of the existence of Section 31, I find it unlikely that it would detour the Klingons from destroying the Federation.

Oh my god section section 31 had banless cannon Bashir said in DS9 Extreme Measures something like that. That unlikely that only super weapon section 31 has.

Aside from the virus introduced to the Klingons in Enterprise Section 31 has never used a large scale attack. Also use of either subspace or biogenic weaponry would not have gone unnoticed, so they do not appear to ever use them.

Well first Section 31 secret fleet unlikely watch Klingon Empire conquest UFP. Star Trek into Darkness back claim section 31 has fleet starships. Now my theory on why the Dominion lost the Dominion war only thing make sense to me is that Genetic engineering humans know way of know about Section 31 or secret fleet. If they had phase cloak device or just basic cloak device fire while cloaked allow basic destroy longer part Dominion fleet shipyard without Dominion know or being able to do anything about it. Section aim tiger a war with Romulus Star Empire.

On top no real way explain why Klingon going entire uncloaked try destroy USS Enterprise D and C. other infect some kind disease. If Pircard took offensive he destroy all three them. USS Enterprise D not flag ship UFP in Yesterday Enterprise time since order to be flag ship. USS Enterprise D not flag ship exportation. SHe not the must powerful starship fleet nore Pircard high rank officer in the fleet.