Where is the proof that SWverse people abhor Teleportation?

[Mike DiCenso]

The only Telepod to Telepod transporter tech I know off in Stargate are the ring transports and the Transports used in Atlantis, Asgard Transport does all what the Trek transporters do more reliably and without any of the bugs that plague ST teleporters which again is only because they have over a million year head start in that tech refinement arena. I wonder how Scotty would feel to see an Asgard transport in action!

The Asgard transporters aren't blog standard SG systems, at least not until late in SG1 and in the SGA series, and only then an Asgard was there to babysit the thing. Impressive? Not having watched the later SG1 and SGA stuff, I can't say whether or not your over-enthusiastic assessment of Asgard transporter tech is accurate.
-Mike

Asgard transports can beam a whole darn buiding from a planet's surface into space. Until anyone can prove that ST teleporters can do the same with no trouble whatsoever my assertion that Asgard teleportation is superior to that of Trek stands...

Define a "building" here, please. Are we talking a small outhouse here, a small office building, a barn, a skyscaper, your average 3 bed-room house... what?

I mean, if you want to take examples, it was routine in many cases for shuttlecraft in the TNG-era to be beamed from space and into a hanger bay, and in the case of the Voth, they could beam the 700,000 metric ton, 344 meter long Voyager effortlessly inside one of their city ships.
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

The Asgard transporters aren't blog standard SG systems, at least not until late in SG1 and in the SGA series, and only then an Asgard was there to babysit the thing. Impressive? Not having watched the later SG1 and SGA stuff, I can't say whether or not your over-enthusiastic assessment of Asgard transporter tech is accurate.
-Mike

Asgard transports can beam a whole darn buiding from a planet's surface into space. Until anyone can prove that ST teleporters can do the same with no trouble whatsoever my assertion that Asgard teleportation is superior to that of Trek stands...

Define a "building" here, please. Are we talking a small outhouse here, a small office building, a barn, a skyscaper, your average 3 bed-room house... what?

I mean, if you want to take examples, it was routine in many cases for shuttlecraft in the TNG-era to be beamed from space and into a hanger bay, and in the case of the Voth, they could beam the 700,000 metric ton, 344 meter long Voyager effortlessly inside one of their city ships.
-Mike

An 7-12 stories office building right out of it's foundations and into space that one...

[Mike DiCenso]

An 7-12 stories office building right out of it's foundations and into space that one...

What were the circumstances? Was this pushing the limits, or just a "ho-hum" routine sort of thing?
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

An 7-12 stories office building right out of it's foundations and into space that one...

What were the circumstances? Was this pushing the limits, or just a "ho-hum" routine sort of thing?
-Mike

It was in season 9 after quite a few Goa'uld including Baal had taken refuge on Earth, Baal rigs a whole building with Naqudah to explode to use it as leverage against the US government so they do not go after him. Either the Prometheus or the Daedalus end up beaming the whole structure into space without breaking a sweat...

[Praeothmin]

That is powerful, and it does indeed trump Federation transporters, but as Mike said, not the Voth ones.

And standard ST transporters are very good.
In all the series, we've seen, what, 20 transporter accidents (I'm not including sabotage, or battle damage) out of the thousands of times ST transporters have been said to have worked (Geordi to Barclay when Barclay was afraid of using the Transporters).
And they have issued transporting shuttles (the size of a Semi-truck) point-to-point.

[PunkMaister]

That is powerful, and it does indeed trump Federation transporters, but as Mike said, not the Voth ones.

And standard ST transporters are very good.
In all the series, we've seen, what, 20 transporter accidents (I'm not including sabotage, or battle damage) out of the thousands of times ST transporters have been said to have worked (Geordi to Barclay when Barclay was afraid of using the Transporters).
And they have issued transporting shuttles (the size of a Semi-truck) point-to-point.

Umm... Mike never said that, all he did is pointed an example of the Voth transporters and what you are implying is quite arguable because just how big in feet in both width and length is your average 7-12 stories building, how much bulk mass does it have in comparison to a spaceship like Voyager. A Spaceship by design it has to be lighter than a structure like a building as one is designed, to fly into space and the other to just remain happily attached to a strong foundation on the ground. If anything the capabilities of the Voth and Asgard are equally matched when it comes to tonnage.

[Praeothmin]

What I meant is that Mike brought up the Voth example, and from the Voth example we can say that Stargate transporters are no more advanced then Voth ones.

I never said the Voth were superior, just that Stargate's taransporter weren't superior to Voth transporter.

Voyager: 330 meters long (1118.7 feet long), masses 700 000 metric tons.

[PunkMaister]

What I meant is that Mike brought up the Voth example, and from the Voth example we can say that Stargate transporters are no more advanced then Voth ones.

I never said the Voth were superior, just that Stargate's taransporter weren't superior to Voth transporter.

Voyager: 330 meters long (1118.7 feet long), masses 700 000 metric tons.

Again how does Voyager stack up in comparison to a standard say 8 story building such as this one:
How much tons can such a building weight? Remember we are talking about beaming a whole large structure off it's very foundations. Something I've never seen accomplished in Trek, in fact the only franchise that I've seen such a feat pulled off was in Dr Who when a group of Alien law enforcers beamed a whole hospital building. to the surface of the moon. Not too write off the Voth off course but unless something as impressive as pulling a whole building from the surface from point A to B does not convince that the Voth and Asgard Transports are in par with each other. Close, pretty darn close but no cigar...

[Praeothmin]

This is how tall Voyager would be if it were standing on its nacelles:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/ ... C09507.jpg

How does your building compare to that? :)

Also, this on building weigths:

Bolton (1900) reported that the steel skeleton of a 15 to 18 story office building weighed 1,800 to 2,200 tons, out a of total building weight of 10,000 to 12,000 tons.

from this site:
http://www.officemuseum.com/office_buildings.htm

A 300 meter tall building (Voyager) would have a lot more then 18 stories.
Average about 10' tall per story, so a 1000 feet tall building couldhave close to 100 stories.

This picture here shows how big Voyager is compared to humans (yes, they're the tiny dots on its surface):
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h ... safe%3Doff

[PunkMaister]

This is how tall Voyager would be if it were standing on its nacelles:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/ ... C09507.jpg

How does your building compare to that? :)

Also, this on building weigths:

Bolton (1900) reported that the steel skeleton of a 15 to 18 story office building weighed 1,800 to 2,200 tons, out a of total building weight of 10,000 to 12,000 tons.

from this site:
http://www.officemuseum.com/office_buildings.htm

A 300 meter tall building (Voyager) would have a lot more then 18 stories.
Average about 10' tall per story, so a 1000 feet tall building couldhave close to 100 stories.

This picture here shows how big Voyager is compared to humans (yes, they're the tiny dots on its surface):
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h ... safe%3Doff

A building and a ship are not built the same way. Say for example a cruise ship and a large office building the office building would be far heavier that it's counterpart. Sorry but you better come up with something better than just that...

[Praeothmin]

Sorry but you better come up with something better than just that...

I came up with something way better then you did, by the way.

I came up with an estimation of the mass of an 18 story building, which is way bigger then what you presented.
I came up with the mass of Voyager, and it's length, which puts it way bigger then the building you showed us, and you're the one telling me I should come up with something better????

O_O

Incredible... :)

[PunkMaister]

I came up with an estimation of the mass of an 18 story building, which is way bigger then what you presented.

Correction you placed a building of the same relative size as Voyager but again since ships and buildings built differently it does not tell us anything other than the dimensions of Voyager being bigger nothing about it's mass in comparison to an actual building.

I came up with the mass of Voyager, and it's length, which puts it way bigger then the building you showed us, and you're the one telling me I should come up with something better????

The length yes as for tonnage is concerned no. You cannot use a building of the same size as Voyager and assume they are the same weight because they are not anymore than a cruise ship and a building of the same size would not be the same weight either. The only thing that I've not been able to find is how much an 8 story building actually weights and remember that is an exact match the building in the episode was anywhere from 7-12 stories high I settled on 8 simplify things. Now the weight of a building has also a lot to do with it's building materials, the one in the episode was your average steel/concrete structure with glass panel windows exterior.

And where did you got the tonnage for Voyager from? I mean 700,000 Tons! Really? So Voyager is 10 times heavier than a building of the same size and larger that is utterly ridiculous...

[Praeothmin]

Punkmaister, I delivered Voyager's mass, which is 700 000 metric tons.

I showed you a link estimating an 18 story building (which is way bigger then your building) to be approximately 12 000 tons (no mention if metric or not).

Did you even read my post, or the links I put in it?

Voyager masses 700 000 metric tons.
Your building weighs at most 12 000 tons.
Do the math.
Voyager outmasses your building by at least a factor of 58 to 1.
Fifty-Eight times the mass of your building.
Is that registering now?
Do you understand how much more massive Voyager is compared to your small building?

You wish to compare Voyager with something similar?
Ok, how about a Nimitz-Class Aircraft carrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_cla ... ft_carrier

Even the aircraft carrier masses less then Voyager.

So, to use your own words:

Sorry but you better come up with something better than just that...

[PunkMaister]

Punkmaister, I delivered Voyager's mass, which is 700 000 metric tons.

I showed you a link estimating an 18 story building (which is way bigger then your building) to be approximately 12 000 tons (no mention if metric or not).

Did you even read my post, or the links I put in it?

Voyager masses 700 000 metric tons.
Your building weighs at most 12 000 tons.
Do the math.
Voyager outmasses your building by at least a factor of 58 to 1.
Fifty-Eight times the mass of your building.
Is that registering now?
Do you understand how much more massive Voyager is compared to your small building?

You wish to compare Voyager with something similar?
Ok, how about a Nimitz-Class Aircraft carrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_cla ... ft_carrier

Even the aircraft carrier masses less then Voyager.

Well I always assumed something designed to fly had to be lighter than something designed to just sit on the ground I stand corrected.

[Praeothmin]

Well, I would assume the same thing in cases where the ship has to fly in an atmosphere (an airplane, for example).

In the case of a starship, flying through a weightless medium, sporting antigravity technology, it would be less important... :)