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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Khas » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:04 pm

True, a tachyon-based reactor would DEFINITELY get the Borg's attention.

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Admiral Breetai » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:14 pm

while I have no doubt the Ds can one shot borg cubes I have a hard time seeing them not evading...I mean the bio weaponry was something they where desperate to assimilate and may have been the reason for that

although it's interesting from a vs debate standpoint The Borg have a canonical weakness to chi

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:03 pm

They never, ever, ever evaded, even against the Biobeam, which hit them time and again, and which they knew they could not adapt to, so there's no reason we should believe the Borg would evade in this case...

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:44 pm

Praeothmin wrote:They never, ever, ever evaded, even against the Biobeam, which hit them time and again, and which they knew they could not adapt to, so there's no reason we should believe the Borg would evade in this case...
is there any reason to believe they can hit the borg any ways? these guys are slow moving on impulse by ST standards..but not by SW

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Lucky » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:26 pm

Praeothmin wrote:They never, ever, ever evaded, even against the Biobeam, which hit them time and again, and which they knew they could not adapt to, so there's no reason we should believe the Borg would evade in this case...
With each hit they adapted their defenses a little better since the Borg was limited to getting information on the weapon in that manner.

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Admiral Breetai » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:19 am

sufficient explosive force can overwhelm the adaption ability seeing as the Fed fleet in FC was doing some damage to the borg after likely hammering it for days/hours-don't know if anything short of the deathstar can cancel this out though

I'm curious about something though-can the borg adapt to Sw weaponry? I mean the prequel trilogy tl bolts seemed to be one part energy one part actual slugs

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Lucky » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:35 am

Admiral Breetai wrote:sufficient explosive force can overwhelm the adaption ability seeing as the Fed fleet in FC was doing some damage to the borg after likely hammering it for days/hours-don't know if anything short of the deathstar can cancel this out though

I'm curious about something though-can the borg adapt to Sw weaponry? I mean the prequel trilogy tl bolts seemed to be one part energy one part actual slugs
Upping the yield will work once, and The Borg have no problems adapting to photon torpedos.

Keep in mind cubes are fast and maneuverable. They should have no problem dodging the Death Star's attacks.

What makes you think the weapons in Star Wars have a physical component?

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Praeothmin » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:27 pm

Lucky, prove the Borg will evade when they never did.
Even after partial adaptation, species 8472's Biobeams were still taking out Borg cubes, yet none ever evaded, unlike Voyager, so please provide evidence of the Borg's evading abilities, or drop the point...
Admiral Breetaï wrote:is there any reason to believe they can hit the borg any ways? these guys are slow moving on impulse by ST standards..but not by SW
I don't know about the DS, but the DS II had no trouble hitting a Mon Cal cruiser running away from it, which was about 200 meters by 100 meters in area, while the Borg cube is 3000 meters on all sides...
A much, much greater target...

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:35 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
I don't know about the DS, but the DS II had no trouble hitting a Mon Cal cruiser running away from it, which was about 200 meters by 100 meters in area, while the Borg cube is 3000 meters on all sides...
A much, much greater target...
The Mon Cal cruiser was moving?, it did not look like it from what i remember.

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Praeothmin » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:40 pm

They had just operated a 180 to get away after realizing they were being jammed...
It was running away from the DS...

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:17 pm

Praeothmin wrote:They had just operated a 180 to get away after realizing they were being jammed...
It was running away from the DS...
that was several moments before the DS opened fire on it though wasn't it? that's an extremely slow crawl if ever I saw one..though I didn't get the impression they where booking it from the DS rather then playing keep away from the ISD's so maybe they weren't trying to dodge the SL

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:28 pm

Admiral Breetai wrote:
Praeothmin wrote:They had just operated a 180 to get away after realizing they were being jammed...
It was running away from the DS...
that was several moments before the DS opened fire on it though wasn't it? that's an extremely slow crawl if ever I saw one..though I didn't get the impression they where booking it from the DS rather then playing keep away from the ISD's so maybe they weren't trying to dodge the SL

Also consider direction, if they were burning away from the DS the lateral and vertical movement would be negligible, now the issue i have with warsie claims is that the ships that get shot are supposedly capable of massive acceleration and top speeds yet they do not use these to orbit the DS in such a way that they are on the side of the DS without the turbo laser dish.

If the thing is only 900km in diameter at the largest estimate and the shield it a few 100km wider the speed some claim these ships are able to achieve could spin around the thing like a freaking whirl wind lol..:). But nooo lets sit like a bunch of numpties looking down the barrel of the freaking turbo laser, its almost enough to make you think they cannot achieve the wanked up G's and top speeds some of the EU/ICS fanatics claim, if only there was not so much stuff in G canon to support them...oh wait...:D.

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Admiral Breetai » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:57 pm

one of the highest canon sources has Tl bolts in the alleged teratons being completely unable to do more then bash up an already damaged and depowered cap ship killer in Grevious new toy during season 1

much less anything from the movies showing anything on that level of speed or power generation the fastest thing in either fleet was Han's freighter and that sucker while fast as hell didn't strike me as quick as a defiant or any other fed warship

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Admiral Breetai wrote:one of the highest canon sources has Tl bolts in the alleged teratons being completely unable to do more then bash up an already damaged and depowered cap ship killer in Grevious new toy during season 1

much less anything from the movies showing anything on that level of speed or power generation the fastest thing in either fleet was Han's freighter and that sucker while fast as hell didn't strike me as quick as a defiant or any other fed warship
During the chase in TESB when those star destroyers almost hit each other after Han pulls up shows how slow they actually are and they were supposed to be chasing the fastest ship in the SW galaxy.

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Re: a Borg Fleet vs the Endor Fleet

Post by Praeothmin » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:00 pm

Except I'm in no way debating the firepower figure with this example, I'm just pointing out that the Borg never evaded anything, and that the DS II would find a 3km per side cube a much easier target to hit than a Mon Cal ship, and thus would be able to one-shot at least one Cube...

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