Another Blow to Hypermatter Fuel's Existence?

[Admiral Breetai]

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Eh. I think it sounds terribly dumb, and probably the cheapest way at attempting to introduce steampunk in Star Wars.

I should have revised my statement..."if done right that's really awesome"

[Mike DiCenso]

Well, steam power starships would certainly explain those stupid turbine engines seen in the ICS cutaways. ;-)
-Mike

[2046]

Eh. I think it sounds terribly dumb, and probably the cheapest way at attempting to introduce steampunk in Star Wars.

You are absolutely correct. However, it still sounds completely frakking cool.

Contradictory? I think yes not!

[Lucky]

Also, the Star Wars Encyclopedia mentions that starships have oil reserves, and that the Ganathans have steam-powered starships.

that sounds really awesome

Eh. I think it sounds terribly dumb, and probably the cheapest way at attempting to introduce steampunk in Star Wars.

Aren't modern nuclear powered craft steam powered from at least a certain point of view?

[Khas]

Okay, I was unable to scan my SW Encyclopedia, but I did find the evidence of steam-powered starships and oil reserves on Wookiepedia:

For Oil Reserves:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Narjam

Steam-Power:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganathan

[Lucky]

Okay, I was unable to scan my SW Encyclopedia, but I did find the evidence of steam-powered starships and oil reserves on Wookiepedia:

For Oil Reserves:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Narjam

Steam-Power:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganathan

I don't see where that article says anything about using oil as fuel? There are a lot of uses for oils beyond fuel after all.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Okay, I was unable to scan my SW Encyclopedia, but I did find the evidence of steam-powered starships and oil reserves on Wookiepedia:

For Oil Reserves:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Narjam

Steam-Power:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganathan

I have the SW Encyclopedia if you have the page numbers il scan or screenie em bud.

[Khas]

Okay, I was unable to scan my SW Encyclopedia, but I did find the evidence of steam-powered starships and oil reserves on Wookiepedia:

For Oil Reserves:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Narjam

Steam-Power:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganathan

I don't see where that article says anything about using oil as fuel? There are a lot of uses for oils beyond fuel after all.

True, but it would be rather odd for oil on ships to be that common, unless they were droid luxury liners.

I have the SW Encyclopedia if you have the page numbers il scan or screenie em bud.

Look up "Ganath system" (pp 111, 112), and "narjams" (p 207).

[Mr. Oragahn]

Also, the Star Wars Encyclopedia mentions that starships have oil reserves, and that the Ganathans have steam-powered starships.

that sounds really awesome

Eh. I think it sounds terribly dumb, and probably the cheapest way at attempting to introduce steampunk in Star Wars.

Aren't modern nuclear powered craft steam powered from at least a certain point of view?

Low tech. Stream has limits. When you have steam, you don't have plasma btw. And it's a closed system. Etc.

[Picard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_technology

Nuclear reactors are actually used to power steam turbines. Nuclear reactor does not actually produce electiricity by itself; it heats water thus producing steam, which is then used in steam turbines to produce electricity via dinamo. So, it is just one more proof that SW ships are using nuclear reactors, alongside evidence we have in canon. As for that "fuel", see here. Alcohol, propane, butane and diesel are all likely candidates, disregarding the fact that it is cartoon, thus having a lot of "artistic freedom", making visual evidence extremely unreliable.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Look up "Ganath system" (pp 111, 112), and "narjams" (p 207).

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6310/ganath.jpg

Ganath
primary planet in the Ganath System, an undiscovered section of the galaxy that is cut off from the space near Nar Shaddaa by a huge
cloud of interstellar gas. Like the rest of the system, Ganath has lagged behind the rest of the galaxy in terms of its technology. They
are limited space travel capabilities, and have not yet developed a hyperdrive. Han Solo and Princess Leia stumble onto the Ganath
System while trying to escape from Boba Fett on Nar Shaddaa. (DE2)

I cannot find a entry under "narjams", but i found this on whooptedopedia.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Narjam

[Khas]

It might just be "narjam". Left side of page 207.

[General Donner]

Consider that in all of Star Wars, we seldom, if ever hear of a duel power system like we do with Star Trek. With ST, you hear about impulse and warp, switching from one to the other, or supplementiing power using impulse, ect. We never hear of that with SW in relation to power, merely hyperdrive versus being on sublight engines, but not seperate power sources. Even in the EU material, there is seldom any references to back up or duel-use power systems.

The "general tech" bit in the EP2ICS does speak of a massive diversity of fuels and engine types. IIRC it says something along the lines of "most starships are powered by fusion reactors that contain more powerful hypermatter annihilation cores". So cartoon fuels aren't necessarily inconsistent to the point it becomes a contradiction.

Not that the cartoon hasn't killed SW for VS purposes in a dozen other ways, of course.

Would you be able to scan the SW Encyclopedia entry on that? It would make a great inclusion to the EU material that contradicts the ICS books thread.
-Mike

Not really, unless Ewok Stone Age tech does as well. Ganatha is a really isolated civilization with steampunk tech and IIRC, no FTL. It's mentioned in the comic where they turn up ("Dark Empire" II) that their stuff looks really strange and primitive to Han and Leia when they discover them.

As for oil, does it say they use it for fuel? It could have other applications, ones that make more sense for spaceships.

[Mike DiCenso]

The "general tech" bit in the EP2ICS does speak of a massive diversity of fuels and engine types. IIRC it says something along the lines of "most starships are powered by fusion reactors that contain more powerful hypermatter annihilation cores". So cartoon fuels aren't necessarily inconsistent to the point it becomes a contradiction.

Do you have the full quote of this? I've only skimmed through the AoTC ICS, which I don't own, though I have other books in the series.

Not that the cartoon hasn't killed SW for VS purposes in a dozen other ways, ofcourse.

This is true, but it doesn't stop people from trying to skirt around it with claims of ICS being higher canonicity, or that TCW fits perfectly with ICS and doesn't contradict it at all.

Would you be able to scan the SW Encyclopedia entry on that? It would make a great inclusion to the EU material that contradicts the ICS books thread.
-Mike[/quote

Not really, unless Ewok Stone Age tech does as well. Ganatha is a really isolated civilization with steampunk tech and IIRC, no FTL. It's mentioned in the comic where they turn up ("Dark Empire" II) that their stuff looks really strange and primitive to Han and Leia when they discover them.

As for oil, does it say they use it for fuel? It could have other applications, ones that make more sense for spaceships.

I was specifically asking Khas for the quotes so that we could determine for ourselves what the exact applications of the hydrocarbon-based substances was. If it is a fuel, for general starship use, it is rather interesting.
-Mike

[Khas]

It just said that narjams were a parasite that travel from planet to planet in the oil reservoirs of starships.