Another Blow to Hypermatter Fuel's Existence?

[General Donner]

Third, you can't annhilate mass without annhilating an equivalent amount of anti-mass, since E-M is an exothermic process. Therefore this "magic" process of producing antimatter is just so much fanwank-- along with the 200GT turbolasers, tne neutronium hulls and the 7-figure hyperdrive speeds.

It's not "fanwank" if it's actually shown and stated in published works. It's magic technobabble and arguably pseudoscience the way Wong et al try and claim it's all reasonable, but it's an established part of the EU. "Fanwank" is when the fans themselves make shit up that isn't in the books.

The ICS power generation claims appear to be rather firmly contradicted at the moment. The existence of hypermatter fuel as such isn't, AFAIK.

Fourth and last, the ICS2 is contradicted by the ICSS1, which says that everything-- including the Death Star-- is powered by FUSION.

You'll have to quote that, because the OT:ICS does says the Death Star was powered by a hypermatter reactor:

Making use of the Empire's most advanced discoveries in super-engineering, the Death Star is built around a hypermatter reactor which can generate enough power to destroy an entire planet.

[Praeothmin]

And the Borg-conduits were far faster than the space-lanes in SW

Agreed and, IIRC, never put in doubt...
But we're talking about the Federation here, not the Borg...

Likewise, the ST ships could presumably use these SW space-lanes, just like they could use the Borg-conduits;

How?
How could ST ships use the Hyperspace lanes?
They were able to use the Borg lanes because they used Borg Technology, which was very similar to theirs.
How would they be able to use the Hyperspace lanes, praytell?

Rather, ST ships could invade, and learn to use the SW space-lanes,

That's a nice claim, now you just have to prove it... :)

[User1601]

They were able to use the Borg lanes because they used Borg Technology, which was very similar to theirs.

The Enterprise used a Borg warp-conduit in "Descent, Pt. I" simply by analyzing the shuttle's Tachyon-pattern in opening it; they didn't have any Borg-tech... or need it.

Rather, ST ships could invade, and learn to use the SW space-lanes,

That's a nice claim, now you just have to prove it... :)

They used the Borg conduits, and the Federation has lower tech than the Borg, but higher than the SW galaxy. They Federation could also reverse-engineer captured SW ships to adapt the warp-drive if necessary, and use their maps of the Space-lane network and galaxy, mind-meld their personnel etc. The ST ship's faster computers and engines would allow them to outperform SW ships in using the space-lanes as well, and so would soon use the system against them.

Finally, SW ships can only do .5 factors past lightspeed, while SW ships can do far more.

Far as I'm concerned, that's proof... SW tech ain't magic, and therefore it can be easily learned by the Federation (probably just by opening some really old archives (:-D

[Mike DiCenso]

The topic is also derailed again. This is a discussion on hypermatter fuel being contradicted by a higher canon source, namely the TCW episodes. If you guys want to argue about the Federation's logistical issues in invadiing the SW Galaxy, I suggest you start a new thread.
-Mike

[User1601]

Third, you can't annhilate mass without annhilating an equivalent amount of anti-mass, since E-M is an exothermic process. Therefore this "magic" process of producing antimatter is just so much fanwank-- along with the 200GT turbolasers, tne neutronium hulls and the 7-figure hyperdrive speeds.

It's not "fanwank" if it's actually shown and stated in published works. It's magic technobabble and arguably pseudoscience the way Wong et al try and claim it's all reasonable, but it's an established part of the EU. "Fanwank" is when the fans themselves make shit up that isn't in the books.

The ICS power generation claims appear to be rather firmly contradicted at the moment. The existence of hypermatter fuel as such isn't, AFAIK.

Fourth and last, the ICS2 is contradicted by the ICSS1, which says that everything-- including the Death Star-- is powered by FUSION.

You'll have to quote that, because the OT:ICS does says the Death Star was powered by a hypermatter reactor:

Making use of the Empire's most advanced discoveries in super-engineering, the Death Star is built around a hypermatter reactor which can generate enough power to destroy an entire planet.

Yes, that was published in 1998, by HK Publishers; it also claims that the DS is 160km in diameter.

It appears that I was mistaken; I was actually referring to Starlog Magazine's Official Technical Journal of the Imperial Forces, Volume #2, published by Lucasfilm Ltd. in 1994. It says that the DS is 120km in diameter, and its fuel is compressed stellar hydrogen." and that the Death Star Reactor Core contains only a "solar ionization reactor."

From Page 38:

"At the core of the Death Star was an immense, cavernous housing for the battle station's power generator matrix. A fusion reactor of increditle proportions, fed by steller fuel bottles lining its periphery, produced the raw energy demanded by the Death Star's superlaser and hyperdrive systems."

So clearly there's a discrepancy; however the Technical Journal was published first, and by LFL under the title of "The Official Technical Journal;"so it clearly takes precedence over the ICS, which was produced later by a different publisher.

Thus whether hypermatter is "fanwank" is a relative statement-- vs. just plain wank.

[Mr. Oragahn]

No, it's just that hypermatter didn't necessarily mean some exotic stuff. I also provided a quote about an ancestor to the Death Star which had a hypermatter reactor and yet would use ice asteroids to replenish its fuel stock.

[User1601]

No, it's just that hypermatter didn't necessarily mean some exotic stuff.

Ironic you should speak so quickly:

"Hypermatter was an exotic form of particles used in the hypermatter annihilators of starships and immense battle stations. Its unusual properties allowed vessels to produce the phenomenal amounts of energy necessary for their operation."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hypermatter

As for "necessarily," that just means you can't give a definitive answer.