Commentary on StarWarsStarTrek v. Admiral Breetai

[Jedi Master Spock]

(Topline edit: I have indeed taken the liberty of splitting this from this thread.)

I'd like to take a moment of time to interject myself; then the two of you can resume your discussion without my interference. If necessary, I'll split this out into a commentary thread.

First, Admiral Breetai:

LOL this is so stupid...seriously this is just..oh lulz...

other wise this is just an indulgence in your cyberpride and I'm not wasting me time on something to juvenile

it would be a rape stomp of epic proportions

fer real..

and lulz only thirty thousand ships?

This entire post.

do you possess reading comprehension problems? are you a small child? if it's either I'll cease right now

retarded piece of fiction ever assembled...do you not comprehend the retardation in it's continued use?

your not able to read..or just gloss shit over

no that's retarded...either it shows it or does not..there is no middle ground

I would appreciate it if you:
a.) Decided that something not being worth replying to, or replying only with "lulz" and irrelevant comments, meant that you didn't reply to it at all.
b.) Refrained from making fun of other posters; this would be normal behavior some other places, but it seems fairly rude to me.
c.) Leave off using "retarded" as a slur and in general refrain from flaming other posters. If you're curious about the word "retarded" specifically, I'll refer you to the last time I talked to someone on the topic.
d.) If you think you're being trolled, report it up the line rather than replying to it.

A bit of advice: This is a forum for debate; challenging someone to a formal debate, one on one, is not trolling. It's something that does happen every so often. (You are, of course, free to decline or accept at your leisure.)

SWST... I can see quite a few instances of:

Concession accepted.

When clearly no concession was offered. I've told you before that this is trolling; and I'm telling you this again. Knock it off.

literally a sign of concession

No. Him saying "I concede that..." is a literal sign of concession. Other than actual concessions or visibly changing your mind, there's not much that is an actual sign of concession, implicit or explicit.

[Admiral Breetai]

I'd like to take a moment of time to interject myself; then the two of you can resume your discussion without my interference. If necessary, I'll split this out into a commentary thread.[]

advice is always welcome from the big boss

I would appreciate it if you:
a.) Decided that something not being worth replying to, or replying only with "lulz" and irrelevant comments, meant that you didn't reply to it at all.

no problemo

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b.) Refrained from making fun of other posters; this would be normal behavior some other places, but it seems fairly rude to me.

that was a genuine question about his age or issues..seriously I wanted to know before i got unduly aggressive with him because he kinda came off that way to me and I'm not going to badger a kid or a person with issues..I think that's completely wrong and unfair..

so hence why I asked

c.) Leave off using "retarded" as a slur and in general refrain from flaming other posters. If you're curious about the word "retarded" specifically, I'll refer you to the last time I talked to someone on the topic.

I don't mean it as a slur..I'm taking the Carlos Mencia definition..but very well

d.) If you think you're being trolled, report it up the line rather than replying to it.

This forum has a report button?! whoops...oh boy sorry about that

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A bit of advice: This is a forum for debate; challenging someone to a formal debate, one on one, is not trolling. It's something that does happen every so often. (You are, of course, free to decline or accept at your leisure.)

I get what your saying..the problem is he isn't doing that this isn't a debate thread this is a flame bait..thread with him essentially just raging on me..about his perceived ill treatment...

I'd of responded to a debate thread..even told him to wait for some one to stipulate the rules and arbitrate iirc a few posts up..man didn't listen

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

Oh, c'mon, Praeothmin. This is comedy GOLD. DO NOT STOP THIS. I only had to read 2 of Breetai's posts, and I COULDN'T STOP LAUGHING.

My GOD, the DBZ poster.

THUMBS UP!

[Praeothmin]

Airlocke, this is not ASVS, where insults are wanted and welcome...

[Admiral Breetai]

Airlocke, this is not ASVS, where insults are wanted and welcome...

that poster wasn't meant to be insulting merely an observational joke...I hoped it wouldn't be taken as anything else my bad

[Mike DiCenso]

For example, a good post from a debater in SB.com:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... ostcount=4

The shield strength of the Enterprise occasionally gets blow 20 megajoules. Wow! That's low enough so that a modern day artillery barrage could wipe it out. That's so low that Star Wars infantry weapons could take it out with concentrated fire. How are you going to rationalize that?

I saw no calculations to back that up, nor links in that post to back up what that guy is saying. He also removed quite a bit of context from some of those situations as well to make Trek look bad in comparision. For example, in "Starship Down", he conviently forgot to mention that the Defiant was fighting the JH attack ships deep in the atmosphere of a gas giant with pressures well in excess of 9 million GSC, eventually reaching the point that the ship was experiancing hull breaches from the pressure long before the torpedo hit as well as prior attacks from the Dominion ships' beam weapons. Furthermore, as has been pointed out here and elsewhere, the torpedo that penetrated through hand an unsual-looking nosecap end as seen here:



So it's a strict KE impactor, is it? Looks like that warhead was designed with some kind of an energy-based device in the nosecap to burn through armor. If you look at the bulkhead it's poking through, that metal is curiously burnt around a relatively clean hole, which again indicates some kind of melt through.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

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Really? So me saying RIP to the director of ESB who died is misconduct? What injustice is this?

oh oh okay every single but post but that one...

All right, cool it. Now. Both of you. I know that Praeothimin has issue you both warnings, and it needs to stop, or you'll both wind up with bans pretty soon. That's my last "friendly" unoffical warning about the matter.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

I understand your fustration, Breetai, but letting SWST get to you like that doesn't do much good. Just make your points, and if need be, walk away.
-Mike

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

For example, in "Starship Down", he conviently forgot to mention that the Defiant was fighting the JH attack ships deep in the atmosphere of a gas giant with pressures well in excess of 9 million GSC, eventually reaching the point that the ship was experiancing hull breaches from the pressure long before the torpedo hit as well as prior attacks from the Dominion ships' beam weapons. Furthermore, as has been pointed out here and elsewhere, the torpedo that penetrated through hand an unsual-looking nosecap end as seen here:



So it's a strict KE impactor, is it? Looks like that warhead was designed with some kind of an energy-based device in the nosecap to burn through armor. If you look at the bulkhead it's poking through, that metal is curiously burnt around a relatively clean hole, which again indicates some kind of melt through.
-Mike

It is pretty obvious that the torp was designed to penetrate then explode but failed to do the latter of the two.

[Praeothmin]

Airlocke, this is not ASVS, where insults are wanted and welcome...

that poster wasn't meant to be insulting merely an observational joke...I hoped it wouldn't be taken as anything else my bad

Your post wasn't taken as insulting.
The feeling I got was that you felt SWST and Admiral Breetai insulting each other was good comedy.
That's what i meant by insults are not welcomed here, not in relation to your post... :)

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

This is getting ridiculous. You dismissed a calculation based on G canon because it's a fan calculation; should I therefore dismiss your entire argument because it's from a fan? You do realize that this site, stardestroyer.net, and darkstar's website all use fan calculations, right?

The calculations are not based on G canon as G canon calculations have very poor showings in regards to SW firepower and nothing even close to the 200 gigatons claimed in the ICS.

Look at when Grevious smashes through the window of his command ship with a staff then when he pulls himself back to the hull at a very low spped and actually dents it....

This is the window and hull armour of grevous flagship that is supposedly capable of taking at least some 200 gigaton hits from enemy fire but it dents and smashes from impacts that would not dent our contemporary APC armour let alone heavy duty tank armour.

[Praeothmin]

No Kor, that is proof that Grievious' legs have a grip of 200GT...

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

No Kor, that is proof that Grievious' legs have a grip of 200GT...

He dents it as he hits it (so a very low KE impact considering his velocity at the time) then grips it and crumples it.

[Mike DiCenso]

Praeothmin was joking there. Or at least I hope he was.
-Mike

[StarWarsStarTrek]

This is getting ridiculous. You dismissed a calculation based on G canon because it's a fan calculation; should I therefore dismiss your entire argument because it's from a fan? You do realize that this site, stardestroyer.net, and darkstar's website all use fan calculations, right?

The calculations are not based on G canon as G canon calculations have very poor showings in regards to SW firepower and nothing even close to the 200 gigatons claimed in the ICS.

Look at when Grevious smashes through the window of his command ship with a staff then when he pulls himself back to the hull at a very low spped and actually dents it....

This is the window and hull armour of grevous flagship that is supposedly capable of taking at least some 200 gigaton hits from enemy fire but it dents and smashes from impacts that would not dent our contemporary APC armour let alone heavy duty tank armour.

Did you even read my calculations? It's based on the G canon showing of the Death Star's speed. How is this not from G canon?