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In order for humans to exist in the past in another galaxy, then they must have time-travelled there from our galaxy into the past.

Likewise, statements indicate that Star Wars got hyperdrive from travellers outside the galaxy.

Speculating, any interaction between Trek and Wars might indicate an experiment by a ship full of humans, possibly early Starfleet-level, with hyperdrive systems before mapping out the galaxy, and ending up going into a black hole or some other type of malfunction that sent them into another galaxy in the past. Then they'd end up populating that galaxy.

The only other explanation would be humans evolving there independently, and that's rather impossible.

It's no more implausible than anything else seen. That said: It'd be more plausible that humans evolved their first and migrated to the milkyway, compared to, say, breaking even more of the laws physics than we already have with time travel.

there was an EU story about a vessel moving at STL a cryo sleeper vessel that left earth and fell through a wormhole when the colonists came too they were on a jungle like world and they were able to determine it was a distant galaxy and they decided to settle

essentially they fell through time and space and became the progenitors of humanity in the SWU

mind you I believe this was stricken from canon

You could also go a Stargate-like route and have advanced aliens take humans from Earth and seed them across the galaxy. After all, we've already seen it in Star Trek with various Earths and other human civilizations like that Roman Empire one. Who's to say that an alien force didn't take some humans to the Star Wars galaxy and plant them there?

Enterprise E wrote:You could also go a Stargate-like route and have advanced aliens take humans from Earth and seed them across the galaxy. After all, we've already seen it in Star Trek with various Earths and other human civilizations like that Roman Empire one. Who's to say that an alien force didn't take some humans to the Star Wars galaxy and plant them there?

shame we never got to see a human empire that was space faring for say 20 + thousand years in trek..maybe as the ultimate antagonist to the Federation and her allies..a slip capable empire that dominates the Andromeda Galaxy or something attempting to prevent their "younger brothers" from rivaling them

or just deciding to finally "go home" as it where and not liking the tolerance and kindness their distant siblings have shown to alien life

Trinoya wrote:It's no more implausible than anything else seen. That said: It'd be more plausible that humans evolved their first and migrated to the milkyway, compared to, say, breaking even more of the laws physics than we already have with time travel.

Not in Star Trek canon.
Both the Enterprise in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" and the Voyager VI in ST:TMP got transported through time and space when they encountered black holes.
Star Trek canon also holds that humans evolved on Earth independently.
So in order for humans to be in the SW galaxy, they'd have to go there from here. not vice-versa.

Remember Captain Archer's time involved a race to break the warp-barrier, and likewise Star Wars canon indicates that their hyperdrive came from outside the galaxy.
So someone similar to Zefframe Cochrane could have been experimenting with that type of drive, and got sucked into a black hole and out of the galaxy.
That would also explain why SW's other tech is about the same level as Archer's time if not sooner (i.e. there's no warp-drive in SW, only hyperdrive).

Enterprise E wrote:You could also go a Stargate-like route and have advanced aliens take humans from Earth and seed them across the galaxy.

I would think that humans would be the ones doing it themselves, since they'd be bringing the hyperdrive to the SW galaxy. This would also explain why humans ended taking over.

Sending people directly from one planet to another through a portal, would obviously be much more advanced than a simple ship-propulsion mechanism; and it would be even more advanced to send them to a planet on another galaxy, let alone a distant galaxy in comparison to others. Clearly, ship-propulsion comes long before direct-transport; meanwhile black holes can do anything, and are more likely to transport people across galaxies due to the massive wormholes between them.

Again, SW's tech level is fairly primitive compared to ST's; so in order to have them in the same universe, would have to involve an experimental drive-mechanism that got them to the SW galaxy, in the past. Then they would be stuck there, and end up introducing the hyperdrive-system to the native of the galaxy. After that, it wouldn't take long to map out the galaxy by using hyperdrive-outfitted probes.

*Sigh* okay, lets do this.

In order for humans to exist in the past in another galaxy, then they must have time-travelled there from our galaxy into the past.

You've started at a false premise and done all your reasoning from there. This is not how one should go about debating.

Worse yet you then move on to presume there is only one other explanation.

The only other explanation would be humans evolving there independently, and that's rather impossible.

This locks out, in your mind, any other possibility. It helps that you determine the other explanation to be entirely impossible, further cementing your own view.

After this you look to the main story to support your position (which you've already decided is correct, or at leas the only one that makes sense), stating that we know that humans evolved on earth and thus in any debate in which star trek vs star wars takes place in we are forced to presume that the humans in star wars came from earth.


HOWEVER: Star Treks own story line has humans evolving on other worlds independently of earth prime, and gives them all a singular common ancestor. At best an argument could be made, with the available evidence, that humans from star wars share the same ancestor as humans from star trek. This itself makes more sense, requires less technobable, and fits in with canon entirely.

With the evidence available in the canon of both universes, if we presume they share a universe/timeline then we can only determine that they both share the same progenitor ancestor (the easiest explanation) or that humans were transplanted from earth by an alien race, something that occurs several times over the course of trek, and also leaves out pesky time travel.


This leaves us with the following presumptions for how this occurs.

1) Humans evolved in the Star Wars galaxy first and at some point in its history traveled to the star trek galaxy (Unlikely due to the galactic barrier)
2) Humans from starwars and star trek share the same progenitor ancestor and were seeded independently.
3) Humans from star trek were transplanted into the starwars galaxy by an alien race.
4) Humans some how traveled from the star trek galaxy to the star wars galaxy (unlikely due to the galactic barrier)
5) Humans some how, later on, time traveled into the past in the star wars galaxy.
(unlikely because easier and more likely explanations exist).

Trinoya wrote: Star Treks own story line has humans evolving on other worlds independently of earth prime, and gives them all a singular common ancestor.

No it doesn't.
In "Who Mourns for Adonis," Lt. Palamis said that science showed humans evolved on Earth independently.

And if she was wrong, then it's pretty funny how in "All Good Things," Q could wipe out humans, via messing with some ancient primordial goop in the past-- ON EARTH-- which evolved INTO humans.

So the "single common ancestor" to humans in he SW galaxy, was FROM EARTH.... like I said at the outset.

Or maybe, it's a separate evolution of humans, much like how the Ancients were in Stargate.

Khas wrote:Or maybe, it's a separate evolution of humans, much like how the Ancients were in Stargate.

But there's none of that in Star Trek beyond TOS, while SW non-humans look quite different from humans.

MauriceWindows wrote:

Trinoya wrote: Star Treks own story line has humans evolving on other worlds independently of earth prime, and gives them all a singular common ancestor.

No it doesn't.
In "Who Mourns for Adonis," Lt. Palamis said that science showed humans evolved on Earth independently.

And if she was wrong, then it's pretty funny how in "All Good Things," Q could wipe out humans, via messing with some ancient primordial goop in the past-- ON EARTH-- which evolved INTO humans.

So the "single common ancestor" to humans in he SW galaxy, was FROM EARTH.... like I said at the outset.

And she was WRONG because humans evolved from the DNA laid down 4.5 billion years ago by another race, 4.5 billion years ago, per TNG The Chase. Furthermore, an entire different planet had humans on it who suffered a nearly identical history as earth, at Omega IV.

The primordial soup was the basis for all life on earth, without it the DNA couldn't have been seeded to allow humans to exist in the first place, they would have just ignored earth as a lifeless rock and seeded life elsewhere.

Trinoya wrote:

MauriceWindows wrote:

Trinoya wrote: Star Treks own story line has humans evolving on other worlds independently of earth prime, and gives them all a singular common ancestor.

No it doesn't.
In "Who Mourns for Adonis," Lt. Palamis said that science showed humans evolved on Earth independently.

And if she was wrong, then it's pretty funny how in "All Good Things," Q could wipe out humans, via messing with some ancient primordial goop in the past-- ON EARTH-- which evolved INTO humans.

So the "single common ancestor" to humans in he SW galaxy, was FROM EARTH.... like I said at the outset.

And she was WRONG because humans evolved from the DNA laid down 4.5 billion years ago by another race, 4.5 billion years ago, per TNG The Chase. Furthermore, an entire different planet had humans on it who suffered a nearly identical history as earth, at Omega IV.

The primordial soup was the basis for all life on earth, without it the DNA couldn't have been seeded to allow humans to exist in the first place, they would have just ignored earth as a lifeless rock and seeded life elsewhere.

You can't be serious.
You're completely ignoring the fact that humans EVOLVED on Earth, not elsewhere. It's not like the aliens dropped some sea-monkey type things in the water, of a type which produced humans instead.

As for TOS humans on other planets, I already addressed that, i.e. it was suddenly never seen again post-TOS; so we must assume that it was a studio-budget issue and leave it at that.

So if humans are in the SW galaxy, then they came there from Earth.

Ah, so you are just going to disregard evidence that you don't like. Then this is not a debate, it's you shouting a crazy unsupported theory and saying you're right and every one else is wrong. If you just wanted to spout nonsense and not debate there are many other places to do so... Perhaps you should put your story in a story section and keep it out of the debate area, and next time if you could just write "I have no interest in debating" in advance so we can save time and ignore it from the start I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Since you don't have a rational answer, you're dismissed.