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Obviously a retread with the points argued many times before with it being established how difficult it is for either faction making any headway. However this time around I was curious if setting it during the "complacent" period of the Federation( before Q who or early TNG) would have any effect on the outcome. Time for the Empire one full year before the events of ANH, arguably their complacent period and possibly their high point.

As to the actual setting, standard bit. Wormhole is discovered, Empire realizes there is a verdant and uniformed potential threat on the otherside and marshals to bring it to heel. The Federation obviously doesn't feel obliged to comply and voila instant brawl. Who wins?

The Federation has too few vessels, and at first is not expecting the Borg, no tensions with the Klingons, Romulans have been quiet for a while...

I say the Empire, if it attacks, and it should be able to, without having to worry about the Rebellion, will kick the Fed's asses...

Not if we include T-Canon, which shows AT-STs bringing down capital ships.

Khas wrote:Not if we include T-Canon, which shows AT-STs bringing down capital ships.

What?
I've seen AT=TEs do that in season 1 of TCW, but AT-STs?
When?

Airlocke mentioned it on ASVS:

Airlocke wrote: Doesn't that show also have At-St's capable of bringing down ships? Like capital ships that had entered the atmosphere to make strafing runs. IIRC it was a frigate. The show is complete bullshit. I hate it, and I fucking despise Lucas for making it. I've considered hiring an assassin at certain points.

Ok, but he doesn't post any relevant info like the actual show or season...
I've seen seasons 1, 2 and 3, and haven't seen anything like this...

Still, the fact that walkers are used to effect against capital ships doesn't say anything favorable about SW firepower or durability.

I know, but the same show has small crafts surviving crash landings just as well as the E-D saucer section, to the point where they are still salvageable, or at least a lot of the ships parts are...

And the Empire has very big ships, and the DS...

Praeothmin wrote:The Federation has too few vessels

Well it still has the "fat padding" of older ships it can pull from the boneyard like it did during the Dominion War, and they do have the Galaxy class and Nebula class in service.

Praeothmin wrote:I say the Empire, if it attacks, and it should be able to, without having to worry about the Rebellion, will kick the Fed's asses...

Well I guess that was the response I was half expecting, setting the scenario in the Empire's favor fairly egreviously, so I guess I'll merely ask for a clairification. Ie. How badly in comparison to the "normal" versus as well as how badly overall. Curbstomp level or would there still be a challenge?

Praeothmin wrote:I know, but the same show has small crafts surviving crash landings just as well as the E-D saucer section, to the point where they are still salvageable, or at least a lot of the ships parts are...

And the Empire has very big ships, and the DS...

And at the same time, look what happened to the Invisible Hand in RoTS.

And about the DS, two things. One, I've said this before and I'll probably say it again. It was stated by Mara Jade that its design stunk.

Two, remember this thread?
http://forums.asvs.org/showthread.php/2 ... Death-Star

It doesn't matter if the design stink, my feet stink yet they work as expected... :)

And Khas, if it's a link of a thread with Jaons posting in it, I'm not re-reading it... :)

He only made one post in that thread.

Praeothmin wrote:It doesn't matter if the design stink, my feet stink yet they work as expected... :)

I don't understand that example. Could you provide another one by choosing another smelly yet functional part of your body?
Thank you!

Best regards...

sonofccn wrote:Obviously a retread with the points argued many times before with it being established how difficult it is for either faction making any headway. However this time around I was curious if setting it during the "complacent" period of the Federation( before Q who or early TNG) would have any effect on the outcome. Time for the Empire one full year before the events of ANH, arguably their complacent period and possibly their high point.

As to the actual setting, standard bit. Wormhole is discovered, Empire realizes there is a verdant and uniformed potential threat on the otherside and marshals to bring it to heel. The Federation obviously doesn't feel obliged to comply and voila instant brawl. Who wins?

You do realize that humans are very small and puny compared to the older races in the Trek galaxy-- even whales?

The problem is with the Empire invading the Federation, is that the Federation is very well equipped in terms of a fleet. Even for Star Wars. Look at Mon Calamari. It kept churning out warships despite the Empire having millions of ships at its command. And those ships were either equal or superior to Mon Calamari in most cases.

They simply could not spare the military assets to send the relatively small amount of ships to destroy the Calamari. That is canon fact.

Add into the mix that the Federation has superior weapons range, superior weapon capabilities, an overall far more advanced (not to mention modern) combat doctrine both in space and on the ground, and the slew of other technological advantages that they hold, plus the hampering that the Empire is going to face in needing to find hyperlanes that can properly hold the sort of traffic that they need to invade such an area--and the Empire simply cannot compete.

Any attempt the Empire makes to destroy the Federation is going to require hundreds of thousands of ships just to overwhelm the UFP's defensive fleet--and hundreds of thousands of more if the Romulans and the Klingons get into the mix. Not to mention at least another hundred thousand or so to occupy them.

The only other means they can have of competing is buying second rate Trek technology and slapping them onto their ships. That would allow them to close the gap to the point that they don't need such an absurd number of ships, but then you're also looking at the heavy costs. They'd at best, still need tens of thousands of ships for just the UFP, maybe closer to a hundred thousand due to orbital defenses and the like...and we all know they can't spare that to backhand Mon Calamari.

The invasion of the UFP is simply not possible. The Empire is in an internal struggle for power and overreaching itself is simply going to cause a backlash internally.