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It's Official...

Post by Khas » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:59 am

SW is now just as bad as ST when it comes to half-human hybrids:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaeeah_Lawquane
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jek_Lawquane

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Post by mojo » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:51 am

gross.

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Post by Praeothmin » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:09 pm

Actually, if you read Cut's database entry, it clearly states he was only their adoptive father, and not their biological one...

I believe even the episode mentions this...

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Post by Khas » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:34 pm

True, but it's still mentioned that they're half-human, which means that their biological father is also human.

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Post by Praeothmin » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:15 pm

Well, don't you find Twileks attractive?

I've always been partial to Jabba's dancer, the one that got eaten... :)

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Post by Khas » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:39 pm

Who doesn't? Normally, I'm not too partial to bald women, but I'll make an exception here!

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Post by Cocytus » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:52 pm

Praeothmin wrote:Well, don't you find Twileks attractive?
Nah. Sy Snootles is where it's at.

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Pucker up

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Post by 2046 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:59 am

Praeothmin wrote:Actually, if you read Cut's database entry, it clearly states he was only their adoptive father, and not their biological one...

I believe even the episode mentions this...
The episode makes no mention of adoption and it is quite strongly implied that the children are his. And whatever databank thing you're talking about is not canon so far as I am aware. So, even if that was the producers' intent, it didn't make it into the episode.

This produces some interesting points regarding Twi'lek development, a la Alexander Rozhenko, but these are not deal-killers.

What troubles me is the notion, reinforced in the episode, that any clone can have offspring. I mean, certain equipment being in place makes sense hormonally for aggression's sake, but it seems troubling to ponder some guy's DNA having millions more chances to spread than normal, not to mention the fact that the DNA in question was modified by the Kaminoans. And, of course, there is a certain inefficiency to be found in horny clones.

On the other hand, I suppose in a way this is a cruel joke on the slash-fic community, who now theoretically have the opportunity to write clone-on-clone action, but they can really only write it once no matter which clones they're pairing, lest it get repetitive.

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Post by Praeothmin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:30 pm

Didn't see the episode in a while, but whether they're his or not, really doesn't matter...
What the episode seems to imply is simply that hybrids can happen in SW, just like in ST...

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Re: It's Official...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:20 am

It would be quite funny if these kids turned out to be sterile tough.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:24 am

From the Sci-fi cliché list:
021. "Interspecies" Mating

One of the definitions of "species" is the ability of individuals to produce viable offspring. There are exceptions, such as a horse and a donkey being able to produce sterile mules. However, it's a long way to go to suggest that two animals from different planets, sharing virtually no biological similarities beyond appearance, could do so. If a Human and a Klingon can produce fertile children then they are, by definition, the same species.
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Re: It's Official...

Post by Lucky » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:42 am

Khas wrote:SW is now just as bad as ST when it comes to half-human hybrids:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaeeah_Lawquane
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jek_Lawquane
Isn't there some obscure EU fluff that says this sort of thing is like a tiger and a lion mating? I thought I heard somewhere that a few races in Star Wars were descended from human stock that was transplanted on different planets as slave or workers.

Star Trek races can often interbreed do to precursor races transplanting younger races all over the place, and genetic tampering as shown in the Chase.

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Re: It's Official...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:31 am

Lucky wrote:
Khas wrote:SW is now just as bad as ST when it comes to half-human hybrids:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaeeah_Lawquane
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jek_Lawquane
Isn't there some obscure EU fluff that says this sort of thing is like a tiger and a lion mating? I thought I heard somewhere that a few races in Star Wars were descended from human stock that was transplanted on different planets as slave or workers.

Star Trek races can often interbreed do to precursor races transplanting younger races all over the place, and genetic tampering as shown in the Chase.
Star Trek SPECIES, not races, and by definition this should actually be nigh impossible and pure rubbish to even think about.
Races are a sub category of a species. Talking about a "human race" only makes sense if we actually belong to a greater species. In Trek, it would actually mean that humans belong to a greater group, some kind of interstellar species, and klingons and humans would for example be two different races of that same species. Or vulcans, etc.

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Post by Lucky » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:06 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote: Star Trek SPECIES, not races, and by definition this should actually be nigh impossible and pure rubbish to even think about.
Races are a sub category of a species. Talking about a "human race" only makes sense if we actually belong to a greater species. In Trek, it would actually mean that humans belong to a greater group, some kind of interstellar species, and klingons and humans would for example be two different races of that same species. Or vulcans, etc.
Calm down a bit. I accidentally misused a word in a slight manner.

Given humans, Vulcans, Klingons, and a number of other similar creates were engineered to be similar and likely compatible by a precursor species(TNG The Chase), and you have at least one precursor species transplanting various younger species on to different planets, the difference between race and species blurs greatly in Star Trek.

On top of that you have species like Lions and Tigers on Earth that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

It is interesting to note that Trek has terms like proto-vulcan to describe some species.

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Re: It's Official...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:02 pm

Lucky wrote: Given humans, Vulcans, Klingons, and a number of other similar creates were engineered to be similar and likely compatible by a precursor species(TNG The Chase), and you have at least one precursor species transplanting various younger species on to different planets, the difference between race and species blurs greatly in Star Trek.
No it really doesn't. It just means Klingons, Vulcans, Humans and other groups belong to one unnamed species, humanoid something I don't know, but the taxonomical definitions are still quite clear.
On top of that you have species like Lions and Tigers on Earth that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring.
Not exactly, they're not always fertile and often found to suffer of physical and mental illnesses. That's not the case in Star Trek wherein the hybrids are very stable and as far as I've seen, considered perfectly fertile.
Above all, they are the results of forced breeding.
It is interesting to note that Trek has terms like proto-vulcan to describe some species.
Interesting indeed. Perhaps to define a race parallel to Vulcans or a subrace?

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