Starfleet Jedi

Franchise: Star Trek Series: The next Generation Season: 02 Episode: 21 Title: Peak Performence wrote: KOLRAMI: Correct. Engineering will disconnect the Enterprise's weapons and link the system with the modified laser-pulse beam. All hits will be recorded electronically. If the computer registers damage, it will act accordingly, shutting down the affected areas for the appropriate repair time. Additional questions? Captain Picard, it is my understanding that you initially resisted Starfleet's request for this simulation.

Praeothmin wrote: I think it has been established many times over that not all lasers will damage Fed ships, ust as it would be foolish believing in the not limits fallacy saying that "Dur, no lazors kin hert da enterprizzz!"...

Unless your post was simply to show how much better looking the High def version of TNG is... :)

2046 wrote: Easy . . . Kolrami mentions it is a modified laser-pulse beam thingy, and it's modified to send a channel of inert gas, too, to make the lasers really nifty looking because, er, uh, oh yeah, because Starfleet's secretly recording this from satellites or ground stations or something and the admiralty really likes raw footage instead of computer simulated holofootage. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Lucky wrote:In Peak Performance when the LASER hits the ship there is a notable white flash where the LASER hit. I doubt that the LASER would be remotely powerful enough to actually damage the hull, and that would imply a shield was causing the flash, but the scene doesn't seem match standard effects used for the shields. I propose that we are seeing the navigational deflector stop the laser.

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The Enterprise-D taking pictures of itself from seemingly impossible angles is a canon ability seen in other episodes.

Given the faster then light sensor technology in Star Trek, i fail to feel the need to try to rationalize a visual that is slightly odd/off when it would have to be taken by sensors that record things other then the visual spectrum.

Mith wrote: Or maybe the laser is just a harmless beam of light that doesn't actually do anything other than register hits. I mean, why would you bother wasting energy for a wargame if you don't have to.

Mith wrote: Or more likely, they just made a mistake in production. Jesus Fing Christ dude, seriously? Please tell me you're kidding. And really, if we have to justify this, chances are, they just launched a probe and were observing it from that feed. Or hell, what we saw was a computer generated model produced by what the sensors knew, purely so the officers could get a better look.

Mith wrote:I'm sorry, but having FTL sensor technology isn't a blank check.

Praeothmin wrote:

I think it has been established many times over that not all lasers will damage Fed ships, ust as it would be foolish believing in the not limits fallacy saying that "Dur, no lazors kin hert da enterprizzz!"...

Picard wrote:

If naivigational shields protect against relatively weak lasers it doesn't mean they'll protect against the lasers of any power output.

Yes it does. Captain Picard was NOT referring to the lasers of the ship that was targeting them with lasers; if he was he would have said "their lasers" rather than just "lasers." Worf also never said how powerful the lasers were yet Picard still said: "lasers won't even penetrate the navigational deflector." In the entire conversation lasers were always mentioned in a general sense rather than specifically the lasers of that ship.

Also in another episode Worf said that a ship had High Power X-Ray Lasers and didn't consider that a threat. Those were high power not the "weak" lasers in from "The Outrageous Okona."

Comment should be taken as meaning that navigational shields protect against laser weapons, but combat shields are required for protecting against phasers and similar.

theta_pinch wrote:Yes it does. Captain Picard was NOT referring to the lasers of the ship that was targeting them with lasers; if he was he would have said "their lasers" rather than just "lasers." Worf also never said how powerful the lasers were yet Picard still said: "lasers won't even penetrate the navigational deflector." In the entire conversation lasers were always mentioned in a general sense rather than specifically the lasers of that ship.

Also in another episode Worf said that a ship had High Power X-Ray Lasers and didn't consider that a threat. Those were high power not the "weak" lasers in from "The Outrageous Okona."

2046 wrote:Just tossing something out, but it seems to me that a proper light-bending gravitational shield (unlike the Fed shields which, while having a graviton component, do not seem to bend light whatsoever) ought to be able to bend a laser effortlessly, and, short of space-warping energy densities, ought to work for most any pure laser weapon (unlike virtually anything we ever see called a laser).

This would effectively be a cloaking device, of course.