"Freedom" dropped from WTC

[Feldercarb]

I don't see any reason why both Freedom and One World Trade Center can't be used for the new tower.
-Mike

How would you pull that off without sounding goofy? Most of the variations I'm thinking of sound pretty bad.

[PunkMaister]

We are? Funny I thought this thread was about the possible name of the building that is to replace the twin towers ah, yes it's a thread about the hated US my bad, go on...

We were, now we're talking about conservatives. But please continue to ignore the points addressed to you, it's far more entertaining.

No we weren't we were talking about Mr O's derogatory names for the new building and you asking where has he said he would like the US destroyed. Well considering he wants to name the new building after something in the land of Mordor is not that difficult to put the 2 together. You were the one that alone brought conservatives yet again into the topic. Your hatred is such that you simply cannot seem to make a single post without making a comment about them.

[Feldercarb]

No we weren't we were talking about Mr O's derogatory names for the new building and you asking where has he said he would like the US destroyed. Well considering he wants to name the new building after something in the land of Mordor is not that difficult to put the 2 together. You were the one that alone brought conservatives yet again into the topic. Your hatred is such that you simply cannot seem to make a single post without making a comment about them.

So your just flinging shite to see what sticks then. You obviously have no evidence to support your assertion that Mr. O hates your country and wants it destroyed. You couldn't even be bothered to search his posting history to find anything. You assertion that I hate conservatives is also quite humorous, considering that, once again you can't even be bothered to look for some evidence.

At this point I figure your just here to troll.

[PunkMaister]

No we weren't we were talking about Mr O's derogatory names for the new building and you asking where has he said he would like the US destroyed. Well considering he wants to name the new building after something in the land of Mordor is not that difficult to put the 2 together. You were the one that alone brought conservatives yet again into the topic. Your hatred is such that you simply cannot seem to make a single post without making a comment about them.

So your just flinging shite to see what sticks then. You obviously have no evidence to support your assertion that Mr. O hates your country and wants it destroyed. You couldn't even be bothered to search his posting history to find anything. You assertion that I hate conservatives is also quite humorous, considering that, once again you can't even be bothered to look for some evidence.

At this point I figure your just here to troll.

Well perhaps if conservatives want to be taken a little more seriously on the internet then they should cut down on the exaggeration (mental disorders lol) and the tendency to make ridiculous claims about their opposition.

You were saying?

[Feldercarb]

You were saying?

How in the name of Vishnu can you spin that into hatred?

[Mike DiCenso]

I don't see any reason why both Freedom and One World Trade Center can't be used for the new tower.
-Mike

How would you pull that off without sounding goofy? Most of the variations I'm thinking of sound pretty bad.

I did not mean that you would use both at the same time, just the One World Trade Center can be the offical technical designation for the building and it's location in the WTC complex while "Freedom" name can be used in the same way that Sears Tower (now Holdings) is used for more general reference.
-Mike

[Cocytus]

I don't see any reason why both Freedom and One World Trade Center can't be used for the new tower.
-Mike

Oh, I'm sure they will be, just not officially. Just recently the British insurance firm Willis Group Holdings agreed to purchase and rename the Sears Tower in Chicago. Now I don't care what the placard on the front says, I will continue to call it the Sears Tower, as I'm sure most people will. Now, if they want to make the dual name official, just put Freedom Tower in parentheses underneath One World Trade Center.

Both of whom are morons.

In retrospect, I have to agree. On the one hand, back in 2002 when the people's hunger for something iconic on the site began to assert itself, the two of them were helpful in stepping in to get the ball rolling. The first round of 6 replacement proposals in 2002 just plain sucked. Nothing architectural innovative or interesting at all. The next round were uniformly impressive, even if they were not all feasible or attractive. 9 teams submitted various proposals, ranging from 1100 feet to 1776 feet (which was Daniel Libeskind's original proposal) My personal favorite was Norman Foster's, which had a huge pair of 1765-foot monsters towering over the site.

See the original nine proposals here: http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/prop ... 9plans.htm

Anyway, Libeskind's selection was Pataki's choice. The overwhelming public favorite was Foster's, not surprisingly. Now first off, Libeskind has never designed a skyscraper (unlike Foster) so his vision was a little unrealistic. The spire was 111 stories of public greenhouses. So now we've got Libeskind, with no skyscraper experience, and his fantastical but unrealistic proposal, and we spend the next 2 years watching it get picked apart. First off, they bring in an architect with experience desiging skyscrapers, David Childs of SOM. He's an accomplished skyscraper architect, though nothing he has designed is particularly noteworthy (unlike former SOM architect Adrian Smith, responsible for the staggering Burj Dubai). So the Childs/Libeskind collaboration results in the decidedly unattractive 2004 iteration, with the upper third of the building composed of a latticework with windmills. They lay the cornerstone for it in a big ceremony, then they have to remove the damn thing when the design changes AGAIN, this time in response to NYPD concerns that the tower is too close to the street. Libeskind gets booted out of the tower design altogether, and Childs goes back to the drawing board, producing the current tower. So after all that nonsense we get something pretty standard, really. Add to that the fact that every time they find a bone fragment work grinds to a bloody halt as the families demand the entire site be turned over to a memorial. Look, I feel for your loss, but 16 acres of park in the world's most powerful financial district is just a terrible idea. Add to that the fiasco that is the Deutsche Bank deconstruction (that ugly black building that got the tar kicked out of it by debris on 9/11), add to that a whole slew of lawsuits over insurance payouts (Larry Silverstein, who signed a 99-year lease on the towers 3 weeks before 9/11, tried to argue that each tower constituted a separate event to double his payout, which he needed to finance rebuilding) and a seemingly endless march of setbacks, mainly going over budget again and again and falling behind schedule again and again (which is the PA's fault, since they're in charge of getting the site ready for Silverstein to build the towers on). 1WTC is finally out of the ground, though any hope of being the world's tallest anything is long since dead (Burj Dubai topped out in January, at 2,684 feet!).

It has certainly been an ordeal. I'm frankly pleased with what we've gotten out of the design process. 1WTC is not a particularly imaginative or inventive design, but's its solid. It resembles the original in silhouette, so that works. 2, 3, and 4 WTC were all designed by top-tier architects (Norman Foster came back to do 2WTC, 3WTC was designed by Richard Rogers, and 4WTC by Fumihiko Maki) The whole composition was rounded off by Santiago Calatrava's magnificent transport hub, which has been pared back to stay within budget, but so far hasn't been compromised too egregiously. So I'm pleased with the scheme. We'll leave NYC recapturing the World's Tallest Building to some other architect on some other site.

But here's my beef. It has taken us nearly 8 years to get this far, when we could have done this from the very beginning. You know the old saw about too many cooks in the kitchen? Case and Point.

[Feldercarb]

I did not mean that you would use both at the same time, just the One World Trade Center can be the offical technical designation for the building and it's location in the WTC complex while "Freedom" name can be used in the same way that Sears Tower (now Holdings) and is used for more general reference.
-Mike

Ahh, that makes more sense. Thank you.

[Mike DiCenso]

So I'm pleased with the scheme. We'll leave NYC recapturing the World's Tallest Building to some other architect on some other site.

Well, the Chicago Spire would certainly fit the bill of continuing to build ever larger structures here in the U.S. and North America.

But here's my beef. It has taken us nearly 8 years to get this far, when we could have done this from the very beginning. You know the old saw about too many cooks in the kitchen? Case and Point.

At least the Freedom Tower/1WTC is making steady progress and it's construction has risen well above street level and still going ever higher from there. The Chicago Spire, however, appears to be languishing due to the economic downturn. Hopefully it won't be abandoned as it would exceed the 1WTC in both rooftop as well as antenna height.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

I don't see any reason why both Freedom and One World Trade Center can't be used for the new tower.
-Mike

Wait.
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Freedom Tower-class One World Trade Center?

[l33telboi]

Anyone older then 5 years should physically cringe at the name "Freedom Tower", it's right up there with "Freedom Toast" in terms downright laugh-worthy names.

[Cocytus]

So I'm pleased with the scheme. We'll leave NYC recapturing the World's Tallest Building to some other architect on some other site.

Well, the Chicago Spire would certainly fit the bill of continuing to build ever larger structures here in the U.S. and North America.

As does the American Commerce Center in Philadelphia. There's also a whole slew of buildings in the 1000-1300 foot range in the pipe, waiting for the economy to recover. My personal favorite of all of them is the 1250-foot Tower Verre for 53rd street, designed by an architect I positively idolize, Jean Nouvel.

But here's my beef. It has taken us nearly 8 years to get this far, when we could have done this from the very beginning. You know the old saw about too many cooks in the kitchen? Case and Point.

At least the Freedom Tower/1WTC is making steady progress and it's construction has risen well above street level and still going ever higher from there. The Chicago Spire, however, appears to be languishing due to the economic downturn. Hopefully it won't be abandoned as it would exceed the 1WTC in both rooftop as well as antenna height.
-Mike

The World Trade Center is largely insulated from the downturn because it's such a symbol, and it has the Port Authority behind it. Everything that wasn't fully financed before the mess began has gone on hold, waiting for banks to start making construction loans again. Certain towers that were fully financed are still going up (see Beekman Street Tower, being built by Forest City Ratner). Bruce Ratner had all the financing in order, but he's still looking for cost-cutting measures, including making one of Gehry's sinuous facades flat and converting a portion of the condos to rentals, and I see Kelleher is following a similar strategy of rentals. There's tremendous interest in the Chicago Spire, I personally doubt it will be abandoned. (Chicago getting the 2016 Olympics would also be a big help. Cross your fingers :)

[ILikeDeathNote]

Anyone older then 5 years should physically cringe at the name "Freedom Tower", it's right up there with "Freedom Toast" in terms downright laugh-worthy names.

See my previous post about the wave of jingoism (NOT a wave of freedom-loving) in this thread.

[Mike DiCenso]

Well, the Chicago Spire would certainly fit the bill of continuing to build ever larger structures here in the U.S. and North America.

As does the American Commerce Center in Philadelphia. There's also a whole slew of buildings in the 1000-1300 foot range in the pipe, waiting for the economy to recover. My personal favorite of all of them is the 1250-foot Tower Verre for 53rd street, designed by an architect I positively idolize, Jean Nouvel.

Well those are only 1,300 foot buildings, the Chicago Spire, if built, would exceed all of those by 700-1000 feet.
-Mike

[Cocytus]

Check this one out. It's a shame they aren't building this beauty here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9S7lx_0bBg