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Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:48 am

Read the context of what I wrote; whatever you think Asperger's syndrome is, it can be triggered by certain diseases, like the suggested Celiac disease, a genetically related autoimmune disorder that is triggered by the gluten protein found in wheat, rye, barley, and triticale. Whether or not you chose to pursue that is your decision. I simply offer it to you as a possibility to explore.
-Mike

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:59 am

I don't even know why we're arguing Asperger's Disease. Everywhere I've been to this sort of thing ends in disaster.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:04 am

At least the forum activity isn't so dead, now is it? ;-)
-Mike

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:10 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:At least the forum activity isn't so dead, now is it? ;-)
-Mike

Good point!

Roondar · Post by **Roondar** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:41 am

ILikeDeathNote wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:At least the forum activity isn't so dead, now is it? ;-)
-Mike
Good point!

I could always try making a few of my standard-issue long winded threads of doom. But I'm not too sure it'll help ;)

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:20 am

Doom as in the classic first person shooter game, or prognostications of the coming apocalypse?
-Mike

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:50 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Read the context of what I wrote; whatever you think Asperger's syndrome is, it can be triggered by certain diseases, like the suggested Celiac disease, a genetically related autoimmune disorder that is triggered by the gluten protein found in wheat, rye, barley, and triticale. Whether or not you chose to pursue that is your decision. I simply offer it to you as a possibility to explore.
-Mike

And what will I do with that information? It's not going to make any sort of difference to my life whatsoever, and I trust that 'coeliac disease causes Asperger's syndrome' crap about as much as I trust the whole vaccines issue. I'm quite vaccinated. My sister is vaccinated. My cousins are all vaccinated. The girl I fancy at university is vaccinated. Guess how many of the above happen to be on the Autistic spectrum?

I apologise if I overreacted, but my response to anything that might lead to a cure for my condition is rather much like the response I have towards anything that might lead to a cure for the human condition in general. Like cyanide. I rather much react like anyone else who's been completely and utterly offended; I get angry.

I'm not disabled; I just have a few difficulties to overcome. So does every other person on the planet. Are we going to cure humanity next as well?

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:57 am

What do you do with the information? You research the subject, of course, and you can present the possibility to your doctor, and all it takes to find out usually are a few simple serology tests over a few months, followed by endoscopic examination and biopsy of the small intestines for final confirmation. But Celiac disease is very real and it causes a whole wide range of health issues for those who suffer from it. At least 1 in 100 people are known in the U.S.A and Europe to have it, and it is believed that there may be many times that as the disease is often misdiagnosed as other illnesses.

Put it simply, we are not talking fringe/junk science or alternative medicine here, but proven science. This is vastly different from the vaccine controversy, which has no scientific evidence, which you cited in your knee-jerk reaction. When you mentioned Asperger's, I thought I might drop something helpful to you, but you decided to get hyper defensive about it. A simple "no" would have sufficed. Did you even read the article? Also another thing, I never said anything about a cure anywhere. Some people with Celiac disease who also have Asperger's, sometimes find that on a gluten-free diet that their Asperger's symptoms are much reduced.

Among other neurological disorders associated with the disease; epilepsy, and peripheral neuropathy (nerve damage). Here's another article that looks in part at the connection between the two disorders.

Also, no one said you were disabled, nor even implied it. That is all you. Many people with epilepsy, for example, are not disabled either, because they can take drugs and know all the coping mechanisms for that disorder as well. But if they find that their epilepsy is caused by something they can control, in this case, if they have gluten intolerance which is triggering their epilepsy, then they probably would want to look into it!
-Mike

Roondar · Post by **Roondar** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:29 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Doom as in the classic first person shooter game, or prognostications of the coming apocalypse?
-Mike

Well, appealing as a thread on killing mindless zombie pixels is...

More like doom as in the feeling of dread you get when you see a 10.000 word essay about the left-of-center impulse engine flare voyager emitted during 'that one time', which then is used to determine the upper end of their computers capabilities. Or some such thing.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:38 pm

I'am sure that someone has already done that at some point....
-Mike

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:59 pm

Though it has been pointed out that at least it means more forum activity, I would like to say that this discussion about Asperger's is getting rather caustic.

Perhaps I should add my own opinion in this.

Asperger's syndrome, like most physical, social, physiological or psychological malformations, is a very complex subject with many aspects still very much unknown and still under great scrutiny and study; otherwise, it would be easily and routinely cured. There are many different opinions in terms of how the condition is formed and how should it be treated, and whether or not it is a true malformity at all rather than something that can be cured with corrective behavioral practices.

I will not insert my own opinion as to what is the cause of Asperger's Syndrome or how it should be cured, or whether or not is it only a case of corrective behavior, because I do not have enough information on Asperger's Syndrome. I do not even know what Asperger's Syndrome even is, especially since whenever the subject is brought up people seem to have varying opinions as to what it is, and more often than not these opinions are simply uninformed.

Actually, since my user name is ILikeDeathNote after all, most of the debate I've seen is whether or not the character "L" has Asperger's Syndrome or not. Once again, I have yet to see a definitive consensus, and it seems that true experts on Asperger's Syndrome are not interested enough to examine the behavior of a fictional character.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:39 am

ILikeDeathNote wrote:Though it has been pointed out that at least it means more forum activity, I would like to say that this discussion about Asperger's is getting rather caustic.

Perhaps I should add my own opinion in this.

Asperger's syndrome, like most physical, social, physiological or psychological malformations,

End yourself right there. Malformation? I earn the label 'malformed' simply because I happen to be withdrawn, reserved and slightly sensitive to large amounts of sensory overload? Well, as politely as I can put this;

Go fuck yourself. Seriously, get off your computer chair, get a dildo and ram it up your arse repeatedly. Because I am not now, nor ever have been malformed. Do you want to know what a malformation is? A random neurotypical pretending that he knows what it's like and then making a random statement to the effect of 'malformation'. I am not malformed you ignorant little shit; I'm a person who happens to be a little bit different to the 'normal' people.

And one of the fun things about this 'malformation'? I'm cleverer than you are, and I happen to be a literal certified fucking genius. My mind can concentrate on things and process information to a far greater degree than an ordinary person, so I happen to be highly intelligent, fast-thinking and very good at working within my various fields of interest.

And the first word you use to describe me is 'malformation'? Fuck you.

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:49 pm

Narsil wrote:
ILikeDeathNote wrote:Though it has been pointed out that at least it means more forum activity, I would like to say that this discussion about Asperger's is getting rather caustic.

Perhaps I should add my own opinion in this.

Asperger's syndrome, like most physical, social, physiological or psychological malformations,
End yourself right there. Malformation? I earn the label 'malformed' simply because I happen to be withdrawn, reserved and slightly sensitive to large amounts of sensory overload? Well, as politely as I can put this;

Go fuck yourself. Seriously, get off your computer chair, get a dildo and ram it up your arse repeatedly. Because I am not now, nor ever have been malformed. Do you want to know what a malformation is? A random neurotypical pretending that he knows what it's like and then making a random statement to the effect of 'malformation'. I am not malformed you ignorant little shit; I'm a person who happens to be a little bit different to the 'normal' people.

And one of the fun things about this 'malformation'? I'm cleverer than you are, and I happen to be a literal certified fucking genius. My mind can concentrate on things and process information to a far greater degree than an ordinary person, so I happen to be highly intelligent, fast-thinking and very good at working within my various fields of interest.

And the first word you use to describe me is 'malformation'? Fuck you.

GODDAMNIT, I tried to use as neutral of a term as I could think in order to avoid offense in order to ground this "debate" back into civility and towards rational, neutral discussion; if anything I was trying to bias my post towards your side, using language that slightly biases Asperger's Syndrome towards being an actual mental condition requiring serious medical treatment as opposed to a behavioral condition requiring only behavioral modification.

By the way, "malformed" just means "not formed correctly." It doesn't have any bearing on your development other than your Asperger's Syndrome, which is considered an abnormality, hence, a malformation.

But as far as I'm concerned now, you seem more interested in only trolling. In which case, I will notify JMS of your behavior.

Post by **Jedi Master Spock** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:49 pm

And that would be my cue to start telling people to cool it.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:19 pm

Last thing I'll post; why do I need behavioural modification or mental treatment of any kind beyond working things out for myself and adjusting myself at my own pace and by my choice?

I don't want to be cured. I want to be me. I want to be left alone to be me. Is that too much to ask?

EDIT: Malformation comes from the Latin malus, meaning 'bad'. Basically, malformation means 'badly formed'.