The US sold it's freedom and way of life last november!

[PunkMaister]

Don't you see how fallacious that fallacy is? The fact is that the United Kingdom has had socialised healthcare since the NHS was founded over sixty years ago. We have not done away with the privatised healthcare in that time, and we most certainly will not do away with it in the near future; we are not going to 'do a Canada' and get rid of BUPA. Mostly because it's the sort of thing that would lose someone an election (oh look, modern democracy works again). Though I myself have never paid for private healthcare, because I've always actually been very poor, only recently having been able to move up the very outdated class ladder and escape from the bottom rung.

Your slippery-slope fallacy does not apply to the United Kingdom. Shut up.

Bwhaha! Right! Because the electorate cannot be bought with promises of the moon on a silver platter like oh wait, Chavez in Venezuela and now Obama in the US. If anybody is living in Lala land is you...

[Narsil]

Britain has the single most jaded and cynical electorate in the world. Doing anything that tampers with our socialised medicine to a large degree has actually lost elections before. Tony Blair won the last general election mostly because the other guys (the Conservatives) would have tampered with the NHS and probably removed it. The average state of the electorate in the UK is remarkably cynical, usually doesn't care, and is actually likely to fuck with governmental surveys just for the comedy value.

And to be honest, removal of the private healthcare in the United Kingdom would change absolutely nothing for the circumstances of most people; most people are actually quite reliant on the NHS. It's the only way that they get any healthcare. Fortunately for them, it's actually there, and it will treat you even if you're dirt poor and practically living on the streets.

[PunkMaister]

Britain has the single most jaded and cynical electorate in the world. Doing anything that tampers with our socialised medicine to a large degree has actually lost elections before. Tony Blair won the last general election mostly because the other guys (the Conservatives) would have tampered with the NHS and probably removed it. The average state of the electorate in the UK is remarkably cynical, usually doesn't care, and is actually likely to fuck with governmental surveys just for the comedy value.

And to be honest, removal of the private healthcare in the United Kingdom would change absolutely nothing for the circumstances of most people; most people are actually quite reliant on the NHS. It's the only way that they get any healthcare. Fortunately for them, it's actually there, and it will treat you even if you're dirt poor and practically living on the streets.

Where is that you get the idea that people in the US are denied treatment? Especially with the videos I provided which make it abundantly clear that that is not the case. Again this is the typical case of Liberals ignoring the facts presented because they are inconvenient and invent the rest... And your statement shows you really do not care if Bureaucrats make your health decisions for you no matter how damaging that might be or not as depicted in one of the videos. I mean who cares if somebody like that woman has to suffer because Bureaucrats think is far more proper to give sex operation changes than to save lives.

[Narsil]

I am not a liberal, which is a case of you ignoring the facts. A liberal is a centrist, and often a capitalist at that, who's only mildly left-leaning. I am a socialist, there is a difference. As well; what gives that woman the right to be treated over the others who also need that treatment? The fact that she has money? They can only perform ten to twelve of those operations a year, so what that means is that if she were to be moved up the list, someone else would be moved down the list. Someone who may well have been waiting to be operated on for a longer period of time, and who may have needed the operation more desperately.

This, I feel, is a typical capitalist case of 'screw other people, I have money'.

[PunkMaister]

I am not a liberal, which is a case of you ignoring the facts. A liberal is a centrist, and often a capitalist at that, who's only mildly left-leaning. I am a socialist, there is a difference. As well; what gives that woman the right to be treated over the others who also need that treatment? The fact that she has money? They can only perform ten to twelve of those operations a year, so what that means is that if she were to be moved up the list, someone else would be moved down the list. Someone who may well have been waiting to be operated on for a longer period of time, and who may have needed the operation more desperately.

This, I feel, is a typical capitalist case of 'screw other people, I have money'.

Yes because a sex change operation is far more vital according to you Socialists or Should I say communist? You say that you believe in Social Democracy but everything you post points to the contrary that you want the state to oversee everything people do and say. As I said before your dishonest tactics will not work with me.

[Narsil]

I never said that. And a sex-change operation is a completely different procedure requiring completely different methods. The procedure in question shown in the video requires a specifically geared and designed device that probably needed to be created specially for the situation. Did you never stop to ask why they can only do ten of those per year? Or did you just see 'sex change' and think 'ewww...' - you don't think about these things, do you? All you do is spout off your typical conservative idiocy.

A sex-change operation is reconstruction, and does not require any extra devices or other such in order to make it work. Only the very common and non-specific hormone treatments, and what is essentially a reconstruction and restructuring (not replacement) of the genital area. Idiot.

[PunkMaister]

I never said that. And a sex-change operation is a completely different procedure requiring completely different methods. The procedure in question shown in the video requires a specifically geared and designed device that probably needed to be created specially for the situation. Did you never stop to ask why they can only do ten of those per year? Or did you just see 'sex change' and think 'ewww...' - you don't think about these things, do you? All you do is spout off your typical conservative idiocy.

A sex-change operation is reconstruction, and does not require any extra devices or other such in order to make it work. Only the very common and non-specific hormone treatments, and what is essentially a reconstruction and restructuring (not replacement) of the genital area. Idiot.

Still it takes precedence over a life threatening situation as the video shows and being the typical arse hole you are keep ignoring.
And yes I called you an arse hole. Since we are down to insults again...


Not too mention that at least this time you did not even bother to refute that you are actually a communist and not a Socialist and that you indeed want the state to run everything in our lives, well guess what over our dead bodies bozzo! I will never give away my freedom to the likes of you, not now and not ever...

[Narsil]

I basically ignore your 'omg, communist' rants. You're a very clear and very blatant example of the ignorant American conservative, without even being properly American. I feel sorry for all of the intelligent people in Puerto Rico and the United States for having to live among such pig-headed and unintelligent people. I'm also grown up enough to ignore insults.

And what you fail to realise is that the sex-change wasn't given priority over the bladder-fixing. The bladder-fixing was already given the maximum priority that was possible, and to move someone up that list from 32nd place would be moving someone else, who'd been waiting longer, down to 32nd place. What you're basically complaining about is a lack of an 'innate right' to say 'screw everyone else, I have money'. The sex change operation is a completely different procedure, and would probably actually be done by a completely different doctor. That's why the priority wasn't actually put onto a sex-change operation; it's not even the same sort of thing, so it was in a different area.

Do you conservatives ever put even a modicum of thought into this sort of thing, or do you just wank off to the American flag and while The Star-Spangled Banner plays in the background? 'Oh, say can (fap) you see by (fap) the dawn's (fap) early light / What (fap) so (fap) proudly we hailed (fap) at the twilight's (fap) last gleam (fap) ing? / Whose broad (fap) stripes and bright (fap) stars thru the (fap) perilous fight...'

Because, seriously, you are possibly one of the most brainless, ignorant, idiotic people I have ever met. The life-threatening situation was given the fastest treatment available, but do you think that every non life threatening treatment ought to wait longer so that the device gets itself installed first? Every broken arm, broken leg, busted nose, cut on the knee, and severed finger ought to wait in line, eh? Because the bladder could not have been done any faster, without making someone else who needed the same treatment wait longer.

You fucking idiot.

[PunkMaister]

I basically ignore your 'omg, communist' rants. You're a very clear and very blatant example of the ignorant American conservative, without even being properly American. I feel sorry for all of the intelligent people in Puerto Rico and the United States for having to live among such pig-headed and unintelligent people. I'm also grown up enough to ignore insults.

I have received death threats from Islamic fundamentalists and your comments are nilly willy by comparison.

And what you fail to realise is that the sex-change wasn't given priority over the bladder-fixing. The bladder-fixing was already given the maximum priority that was possible, and to move someone up that list from 32nd place would be moving someone else, who'd been waiting longer, down to 32nd place. What you're basically complaining about is a lack of an 'innate right' to say 'screw everyone else, I have money'. The sex change operation is a completely different procedure, and would probably actually be done by a completely different doctor. That's why the priority wasn't actually put onto a sex-change operation; it's not even the same sort of thing, so it was in a different area.

Says you! There is no reason whatsoever to not make that operation privately available in Canada for those that can afford it if necessary specially if it's a life threatening situation.And you keep ignoring the fact that the bureaucrats the Socialist bureaucrats you love so much totally ignored this woman's suffering but fully dedicated their time to make sure transsexuals get their operations in due time. The truth is in cases like this there should be at least a review board checking each case and looking at the urgency to the particular situation of the patient in question. And then making the list according to how sick that person is because of the condition he/she is in. Not who simply got there first which is what is happening in this case. Taking turns like that is acceptable for buying Groceries or Fast food restaurants but no life threatening situations like this.

*Snip* Blah,Blah, Blah, Blah

You just waster about half an hour of your life writing that senseless crap, oh well...

Because, seriously, you are possibly one of the most brainless, ignorant, idiotic people I have ever met. The life-threatening situation was given the fastest treatment available, but do you think that every non life threatening treatment ought to wait longer so that the device gets itself installed first? Every broken arm, broken leg, busted nose, cut on the knee, and severed finger ought to wait in line, eh? Because the bladder could not have been done any faster, without making someone else who needed the same treatment wait longer.

You fucking idiot.

LOL you are funny specially when you place a sex change operation on the same level as something such as a broken nose or a broken arm! Now that is comedy.

And it is so clear that you never ever really watched the video! You skimmed through it, you just got that she got number 32 on the list and went "OK I'm done moving along" you did not bother to see how desperate her situation was the fact they had tried to contact their health department because of her worsening condition and how they were ignored while giving lots of preferential treatment and the open door to those that want sex change operations and again a sex change operation cannot even be compared to a broken nose or even a Cold. If the government here decided to pay through it's health plan for such operations, people here would riot on the streets. Cosmetic changes that are just miscellaneous and are not needed in any way shape or form should not be paid by the state or tax payers what are you crazy?

The fact is you cannot fathom that your wonderful Socialized medicine could have such horrible flaws and choose to ignore them instead and cover your ears so you cannot hear anything on the subject while telling anyone that points it out to shut up as it that somehow makes it go away.

Well guess what it does not make it go away.

[Narsil]

The truth is in cases like this there should be at least a review board checking each case and looking at the urgency to the particular situation of the patient in question. And then making the list according to how sick that person is because of the condition he/she is in. Not who simply got there first which is what is happening in this case. Taking turns like that is acceptable for buying Groceries or Fast food restaurants but no life threatening situations like this.

And how do you know that the other people on the list weren't in similar (or, you know, worse) life-threatening situations? If a procedure like that needed to be done, chances are that she would be pushing other people in arguably worse positions (since they'd been waiting longer) out of the way if she would do so. Why?

Cosmetic changes that are just miscellaneous and are not needed in any way shape or form should not be paid by the state or tax payers what are you crazy?

And here you display what is essentially basic transphobia or ignorance towards the actual nature of transsexuals; people who are transsexual are basically born with a massive physical and psychological malformity that can only be rectified in one way. Basically, they're born with their brains wired to the opposite gender to that which their body is. This is a most certainly a malformation as it basically causes them a lot of psychological discomfort and agony for their entire lives. The only known treatment for this is for them to undergo sexual reassignment surgery; literally change from one physical sex to the other. Changing the way they've been wired upstairs is far too much like mind control, and near-impossible to do, so what we do is we give them the right physical gender to match their brains.

This is a psychological malady, treated physically. Yes, it should be paid by the tax-payers, and I am personally glad to donate to the idea that someone, somewhere is actually able to feel comfortable about their own bodies rather than be driven to suicide. Oh yes, suicide. Doesn't that, on its own, qualify under 'life threatening situation'? I think it does.

[PunkMaister]

And how do you know that the other people on the list weren't in similar (or, you know, worse) life-threatening situations? If a procedure like that needed to be done, chances are that she would be pushing other people in arguably worse positions (since they'd been waiting longer) out of the way if she would do so. Why?

If you had actually watched the video instead of skimming through it you would know that they did not bother to check anything. The health adm. of Canada is far more preoccupied with giving sex change operations to transsexuals than to attend life threatening cases.

And here you display what is essentially basic transphobia or ignorance towards the actual nature of transsexuals; people who are transsexual are basically born with a massive physical and psychological malformity that can only be rectified in one way. Basically, they're born with their brains wired to the opposite gender to that which their body is. This is a most certainly a malformation as it basically causes them a lot of psychological discomfort and agony for their entire lives. The only known treatment for this is for them to undergo sexual reassignment surgery; literally change from one physical sex to the other. Changing the way they've been wired upstairs is far too much like mind control, and near-impossible to do, so what we do is we give them the right physical gender to match their brains.

I think you are confusing Transsexuals with Hermaphrodites seriously because if not what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever!

This is a psychological malady, treated physically. Yes, it should be paid by the tax-payers, and I am personally glad to donate to the idea that someone, somewhere is actually able to feel comfortable about their own bodies rather than be driven to suicide. Oh yes, suicide. Doesn't that, on its own, qualify under 'life threatening situation'? I think it does.

Again I'm leaning to believe that you are mistaking Hermaphrodites with Transsexuals in facy I hope that is the case because if you are not let me sumarize what you are implying:

Now let's be absolutely cristal clear!

Are you actually implying that this transsexual's condition equals this and this and this have I gotten it right?

Because if you are you have just confirmed that you are freaking absolutely wacko, insane! Loco! Desquiciado! You are NUTS! So again I hope that you meant Hermaphrodites and not Transsexuals and mind you being a Hermaphrodite is not exactly a life threatening situation either. Some people are born without genitals that is without any specific gender too!

On that note thankfully not all countries with Socialized medicine are as crazy as yours or Canada, Argentina has Socialized medicine but they would never even remotely consider that the state and the Tax payers should pay for Transsexual's sex change operation or for a woman that want to make her boobs bigger etc, etc. In Argentina people have the option to pay for medical care. Your country so far does but you obviously would gladly do away with it given your statements and again if you were actually referring to Transsexuals being on the same level as people with actual acute deformities or victims of accidents etc, then you are truly certifiable! keep in mind that the guy in the picture had several operations to end looking as he does now, before he looked like your average regular joe and never had any deformity to speak off, he simply wanted a sex change and little by little he did it. To compare that case to actual life threatening conditions is sheer insanity...

[Narsil]

If you had actually watched the video instead of skimming through it you would know that they did not bother to check anything. The health adm. of Canada is far more preoccupied with giving sex change operations to transsexuals than to attend life threatening cases.

The doctor in question obviously checked something. It's standard medical procedure. The doctor in question is the one who chose to put her on the end of that list; and it was the doctors in question were the ones who put people on those lists. That these people were all receiving the same treatment for the same disorder is what you obviously weren't paying attention to. If she were in critical condition, the doctors would operate sooner.

I think you are confusing Transsexuals with Hermaphrodites seriously because if not what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever!

No, I am talking about a neurological condition that makes people have the neurological and psychological chemistry of the opposite gender to what their physical bodies are. It's called transsexualism, and is listed as a psychological condition. It can lead to a great amount of discomfort with one's life, and giving someone a series of treatments so that they can live as someone of the sex that they feel most comfortable with.

To compare that case to actual life threatening conditions is sheer insanity...

And just because it's not directly life-threatening that means we shouldn't treat them when the treatment is available, amirite?

I mean, it's not as if the Canadian government wasn't already doing that with the woman with the bladder problem and the installation of that device - because obviously there weren't thirty-one other people with the same or similar sorts of conditions needing to have it done, and the ten-a-year limit was obviously just an arbitrary thing just to fuck around with her. Because obviously, we're all just evil communists out to take away your businesses, and your monies. Am I right in all this? Yes, I must be. Obviously my support for universal healthcare and the idea that people shouldn't have to pay money just for the basic human right to health makes me evil. Because obviously the less-crowded American hospitals are much better due to their privatisation, and the fact that they're, you know, making people pay. And have less people in them.

Somehow, I see a pattern.

I may well be crazy. I have massive emotional trauma, after all, and a bit of a neurological disorder. I also have a bunch of half-formed plans for taking over the world with an army of robots, or mutant cyborgs, to one side in my consciousness. Admittedly that may have something to do with the fact that I am currently writing a superhero story, and a villain is more or less key to making it work. I also happen to suffer from depression, and I also happen to be a bit arrogant. I also think out loud, often just to see how dialogue in my writing sounds. They say that talking to oneself is a sign of insanity, after all...

But if I am crazy, I am glad to be. Because it's better than being like you. It's better than being an utter dick.

[PunkMaister]

The doctor in question obviously checked something. It's standard medical procedure. The doctor in question is the one who chose to put her on the end of that list; and it was the doctors in question were the ones who put people on those lists. That these people were all receiving the same treatment for the same disorder is what you obviously weren't paying attention to. If she were in critical condition, the doctors would operate sooner.

Prove it! ? You don't have anything to back up what you claim. All that there is is a list. There is no hint whatsoever that people on that list are placed on a case by case basis. None whatsoever, you are now claiming things right out of your arse...

No, I am talking about a neurological condition that makes people have the neurological and psychological chemistry of the opposite gender to what their physical bodies are. It's called transsexualism, and is listed as a psychological condition. It can lead to a great amount of discomfort with one's life, and giving someone a series of treatments so that they can live as someone of the sex that they feel most comfortable with.

Do you even understand the difference between a psychological condition and a physical one? It seems that you do not but let's entertain idea of giving people what they might need according to their psychological conditions. Right from your link just a step below look what it says and I quote:

F65.4 Paedophilia
A sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age.

By your logic we should provide little girls and little boys to pedophiles since their condition is a psychological one and given your track record you'd probably see it just that way wouldn't you...

And just because it's not directly life-threatening that means we shouldn't treat them when the treatment is available, amirite?

I mean, it's not as if the Canadian government wasn't already doing that with the woman with the bladder problem and the installation of that device - because obviously there weren't thirty-one other people with the same or similar sorts of conditions needing to have it done, and the ten-a-year limit was obviously just an arbitrary thing just to fuck around with her. Because obviously, we're all just evil communists out to take away your businesses, and your monies. Am I right in all this? Yes, I must be. Obviously my support for universal healthcare and the idea that people shouldn't have to pay money just for the basic human right to health makes me evil. Because obviously the less-crowded American hospitals are much better due to their privatisation, and the fact that they're, you know, making people pay. And have less people in them.

Well there you go spouting like a parrot about things you obviously don't know anything about such as the fact that the US has a wide system of Public hospitals! Yes Public not private! Let's take a look:

United States

In the United States, two thirds of all urban hospitals are non-profit. The remaining third is split between for-profit and public. The urban public hospitals are often associated with medical schools. [1] The largest public hospital system in America is the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which is associated with the New York University School of Medicine.

In the U.S., public hospitals receive significant funding from local, state, and/or federal governments. In addition, they may charge Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurers for the care of patients. Poor uninsured patients receive their care for free. Public hospitals, especially in urban areas, have a high concentration of uncompensated care and graduate medical education as compared to all other American hospitals. Public hospitals in America are closing at a much faster rate than hospitals overall. The number of public hospitals in major suburbs declined 27% (134 to 98) from 1996 to 2002. It is thought that the increase in uninsured has drained public hospitals to near bankruptcy.[2] Non-profit rural hospitals were disproportionately represented with high numbers of patients with uncompensated care. Public and non-profit rural hospitals form a large part of the health care safety net for the uninsured and poor underinsured in the U.S.[3]

For-profit hospitals were more likely to provide profitable medical services and less likely to provide medical services that were relatively unprofitable. Government or public hospitals were more likely to offer relatively unprofitable medical services. Not-for-profit hospitals often fell in the middle between public and for-profit hospitals in the types of medical services they provided. For-profit hospitals were quicker to respond to changes in profitability of medical services than the other two types of hospitals.

Link here

And here's what we in the Island itself have:

The Puerto Rico Health Reform (Reforma de Salud de Puerto Rico in Spanish), locally referred to simply as the Reform (la Reforma in Spanish) is a government-run program which provides medical and healthcare services to indigent and impoverished citizens of Puerto Rico by means of contracting private health insurance companies, as opposed to the traditional system of government-owned hospitals and emergency centers. The Reform is administered by the Puerto Rico Health Insurance Administration and, as of December 31, 2005, provides healthcare coverage to over 1.5 million Puerto Ricans,[1] equal to 37.5% of the island population.
Puerto Rico’s indigent population has relied exclusively on the local government for their healthcare needs since the start of the island’s commonwealth status. The government maintained several hospitals, emergency centers, and free clinics, including the Rio Piedras Medical Center (Centro Médico in Spanish) which is considered the largest hospital on the island and one of the largest in the Caribbean. However, this system presented substantial costs to the government while generating increasing criticism from the public and media citing a sluggish bureaucracy and poor services from unprofessional government workers.

In 1994, then Governor of Puerto Rico Pedro Rosselló proposed and implemented the privatization of the public health system under the name “Health Reform”. The privatization plan included selling the government-owned hospitals and medical centers to local and United States investors and then implementing a universal free and/or low-cost health insurance plan for poor and needy citizens. The only exception to the Reform was that mental health benefits and services were to be provided by behavioral healthcare and mental healthcare companies, and not by insurance carriers.

The privatization plan required the service population to be divided into geographical areas with each area assigned to a sole insurance carrier by means of a services contract awarded through competitive bidding and proposals. The designation and assignment of geographical areas were finalized in 2001. Subsequent to 1994, all government hospitals and medical centers were sold to private companies and investors, including local medical groups and companies composed of doctors. The only exception to the privatization plan was that the Rio Piedras Medical Center would be (and still is) run by the commonwealth government.

The privatization plan has met subsequent criticisms from different industry and public sectors, who argue that the plan was marred with government corruption. Several politicians, private investors, and government employees have been accused and/or convicted of perpetrating bribery and extortion schemes during the selling and acquisition of government medical centers. One of the most famous convictions was that of prominent New Progressive Party legislator Edison Misla Aldorondo.

[edit] Current status

The three largest insurance companies operating in Puerto Rico are currently the only ones participating in the Reform. These are Triple-S, Inc. with 40.4% of the Reform beneficiaries, Medical Card Systems (MCS) with 33.5%, and Humana with 26.1%.[1]

The Reform has faced criticism from different sectors[who?] because of the increasing costs associated with the system. Under the administration of Gov. Sila Calderon, the government tried to cut back on services and eliminated many participants from the program in an effort to curtail expenditures. However, the program still requires a substantial amount of funds to cover its $1.4 billion annual expenditures (2005).[2] In 2005 alone, only $400 million was generated from participant deductibles and charges for services to cover program expenses, while the remaining $1 billion in expenses was covered by a subsidy provided by the state government.[2] Since medical costs are expected to increase, experts have expressed serious concerns over the future funding of the program.

These criticisms and fallbacks have led the government to implement more stringent controls over the operations of the Reform as well as to diversify the way it provides services to beneficiaries. A pilot project began in 2003 whereby the government contracted the services of one area directly to a medical healthcare provider instead of contracting an insurance company, and the government has stated that this and other programs may be implemented and expanded in the future in order to reduce costs.[1] However, some politicians, including former Gov. Pedro Rosselló, are campaigning to create a universal health care system by expanding the reform program to all citizens that lack a private insurance plan. This has created an increasing exodus of medical, dental and nursing professionals away from the island. As evidence we see increasing every year the amount of medical, dental and related professional graduates of the University of Puerto Rico, and other Medical Schools on the island, that are emigrating immediately after graduation seeking better working environments worldwide.

I' myself am a beneficiary of the health reform card. I sure wish it would have been better implemented ant led to the situation you just read about...

Somehow, I see a pattern.

Well I could say exactly the same thing when it comes to your attacks on Capitalists and Capitalism in general.

I may well be crazy. I have massive emotional trauma, after all, and a bit of a neurological disorder. I also have a bunch of half-formed plans for taking over the world with an army of robots, or mutant cyborgs, to one side in my consciousness. Admittedly that may have something to do with the fact that I am currently writing a superhero story, and a villain is more or less key to making it work. I also happen to suffer from depression, and I also happen to be a bit arrogant. I also think out loud, often just to see how dialogue in my writing sounds. They say that talking to oneself is a sign of insanity, after all...

But if I am crazy, I am glad to be. Because it's better than being like you. It's better than being an utter dick.

Considering that for what I've read so far you'd probably go as far as providing little kids to pedophiles on the grounds that it is psychological and thus medical condition that requires proper treatment such as them getting their fill so they can resume their daily lives and so on. Given all thus I'm 100% certain at this point that while not perfect as no one is anyway I'm the better person in this case. I would never offer kids to pedophiles to treat their condition as you sure would. I will never see a sex change operation on the same scale as actual corrective surgery or a life saving operation as you clearly do.

I might be a dick but then you are scum...

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[Narsil]

So you equate transsexuality with something as bad as, say, paedophillia? And then you proceed to accuse me of supporting paedophillia, you sick little fucker? Fuck you, you mindless cockgoblin; I reckon you take a very long walk off a very short pier because it would be much better than your being allowed to reproduce and spread the fucking stupidity to a new generation. I am withdrawing from this because it's quite obvious that you're little more than an ignorant, bigoted fuckwit who has nothing more to do than to accuse me of such fucking harmful things as supporting paedophillia you mindless little prick.

I swear; you're one of the most infuriating bastards I've ever come across and I hope you choke on your own fucking drool you ignorant little cunt.

[PunkMaister]

So you equate transsexuality with something as bad as, say, paedophillia? And then you proceed to accuse me of supporting paedophillia, you sick little fucker? Fuck you, you mindless cockgoblin; I reckon you take a very long walk off a very short pier because it would be much better than your being allowed to reproduce and spread the fucking stupidity to a new generation. I am withdrawing from this because it's quite obvious that you're little more than an ignorant, bigoted fuckwit who has nothing more to do than to accuse me of such fucking harmful things as supporting paedophillia you mindless little prick.

I swear; you're one of the most infuriating bastards I've ever come across and I hope you choke on your own fucking drool you ignorant little cunt.

That's your logic remember? You are the one that went and said transsexualism has to be considered a "life threatening" psychological condition and that those that suffer it should be afforded treatment by the same token of your logic so should pedophiles.