Thanks for the link, though I'm wondering if there is other corroborative studies and polls out there now.Jedi Master Spock wrote:The Puerto Rico Herald has been running polls - here - that seem to show that result, recently.Mike DiCenso wrote:Are there any studies or polls available which would support your statement that the majority of Puerto Ricans would vote for statehood in the Union versus staying as a territory, or seeking independence as it's own sovereign nation?
-Mike
Stalin was a genocidal murderous communist. Not a socialist. There is a massive difference, and your ignorance of that difference demands a response; communism (particularly as defined by Stalin) was all about the elimination of capitalism, whereas the sort of socialism I am advocating is about making sure capitalism doesn't fuck over the little people like it has been doing for more or less its entire trial run. It's necessary for running an economy, but like most things it needs to be regulated and actively policed so it doesn't get us into another banking crisis.Not by choice though, Stalin your hero made sure of that and given your remarks don't try to deny it now, is no use...
It would be most costly for the person who is trying to get the courts to actually prosecute them, though, as it would generate animosity in the work environment. I wouldn't want to work in any job for which I'd had to use actual legal action in order to get.That's very shaky ground you are talking about it would mean costly court hearing that the company in question is most likely to lose well at least that's how it would work out over here...
So, given a bit of thought about that, what we have there is someone refusing to provide a service on the basis of sexual orientation. We apply the same rules to restaurants, why not photography? For a rather similar example of how this sort of service-refusal would go when applied to a different line of thought; 'we don't photograph interracial marriages or marriages between black people'.Related article here
Oh, okay. Now, let's move on to the problem with that; the number of Muslims attending Mosque in the UK is about the same as the number of Christians attending Church. The fact is that many Muslims in the UK are not particularly religious and really just use the mosque for weddings, ceremonies, etc.I'm not even white you moron, we Puerto Ricans are the product of racial interbreeding between at least 3 or more races. And again we come in all colors and we do not care about the skin color of the other people around us. What I'm criticizing here is the religion of Islam not a race.
Which the current legislature is currently trying to clamp down on outside of perhaps the civil areas, with the 'leftist parliament' seeing this as a problem to be addressed. No non-Muslim in the country wants Sharia law and the United Kingdom is a Democracy. Muslims make up less than ten percent of the population.Your leftist parliament would approve anything the muslims want without blinking. And legal loophole or not you do have the beginnings of Sharia Law in your country already.
The funny thing; the swine flu is already in the UK. We have a sum total of forty-seven people infected with no deaths, according to the World Health Organisation. The United States in that very same source? Two thousand, five hundred, and thirty-two laboratory-confirmed cases, with six deaths. You know, if only people weren't afraid to visit their doctors when they had the flu because it'd cost them more money than just trying to get better...Name such an incident! Because guess what even the so dreaded Swine Flu was stopped cold in it's tracks in New York. After they found a school that had the infection no more cases have been reported nor will they. Had such a similar thing happened in the UK with it's overcrowded hospitals you would have had a whole lot more people infected.
As opposed to brief wealth and then a massive banking crisis that's going to lead to... poverty for everyone. Really, this unrestrained capitalism lark is a greatly convincing alternative. It's just a pity this forum lacks the rolling-eyes smilie because my eyes are rolling so fast at the minute that they've begun to generate their own gravity field.And who determines such a thing? The government? To the left sustainable growth = Poverty for everyone.
What's your idea of a socialist country? If you mention the USSR, you'll have obviously rolled a 'natural 1' on your d20, leading to what is obviously a critical research failure. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, name as it is, was actually Communist. My idea of socialism is not communism, since communism is merely one subtype of socialism and was created partly as a rejection of the socialism of the time by one very notable man named Karl Marx. My idea of a socialist country is one that does merge the best of both; you really ought to start listening to what I'm actually saying. In the sort of socialism I advocate (democratic socialism), the intent isn't to get rid of private businesses, the intent to make sure that they don't do anything wrong.I'd rather have people monitoring what some stock brokers etc. of Ill repute might be doing and put a stop to it if necessary than to have the government regulate every detail. Again the fact that all socialist countries are poor showcases that Socialism simply doesn't work at least in it's purest form but then again neither does Capitalism when it becomes a monopolistic oligarchy. That is why I would like to see something that merges the best of both. But our fiery debate here illustrates just how difficult if not impossible it would be to try to make it work.
Calling you an idiotic fuckwit isn't quite as bad as stating that someone is in veneration of a genocidal dictator. Just a tip.And again keep your insults to yourself... So far I've shown more restrain than you...
Erm... 'socialism to regulate capitalism' equals full implementation of socialism now? You're obviously not arguing against me and instead arguing against some left-wing strawman you've just conjured up out of nowhere. The simple fact of the matter is this; I do not like it when people put words in my mouth, and I do not like it when idiotic right-wingers try to paint left-wingers as being the devil. We're people too, even though we do have this whole commie pinko bleeding heart liberal thing going on where some of us genuinely care about doing the right thing.Well you and I then are in agreement, Narsil however being a hardcore Socialist only sees the full implementation of Socialism as the way to solve the world's problems even though it has been more than proven historically and thru recent examples that that is not the case.
Why not? My grandfather, who needed a complex operation to solve an aneurysm in his spinal column, survived the so-called rigours of socialised medicine. More recently, he also survived a triple heart attack. Funnily enough, the hospitals I visited him in during both instances (a local one in Blackburn, and one in Lancaster) didn't appear to be all that crowded. In fact, the only patient I ever saw in more than passing was my grandfather as every patient had his or her own room.Narsil I very much doubt given what I've read that my brother would have survived under the "gentle" care of your socialized medicine.
Guess that makes us even then...Narsil wrote:To state that I venerate a genocidal dictator is on pretty much the same level as comparing me to a Nazi.
That's how laws get to be made when someone takes a stand.Narsil wrote:It would be most costly for the person who is trying to get the courts to actually prosecute them, though, as it would generate animosity in the work environment. I wouldn't want to work in any job for which I'd had to use actual legal action in order to get.
Wrong as there's a huge difference between being born from a certain race or ethnic group and having this or that sexual orientation. And why not photography because if you ask a photographer for services and he or she refuses you simply call another photographer period. Calling a photographer over the phone and going into a restaurant are 2 very different propositions in the first you hang up and call someone else on the other you physically went to a place in which you expect to be served food and so on. The contexts cannot be more different.Narsil wrote:So, given a bit of thought about that, what we have there is someone refusing to provide a service on the basis of sexual orientation. We apply the same rules to restaurants, why not photography? For a rather similar example of how this sort of service-refusal would go when applied to a different line of thought; 'we don't photograph interracial marriages or marriages between black people'.
Oh seriously? Is that why they are building a megamosque in your capital because they are so few practicing muslims? Get real!Narsil wrote:Oh, okay. Now, let's move on to the problem with that; the number of Muslims attending Mosque in the UK is about the same as the number of Christians attending Church. The fact is that many Muslims in the UK are not particularly religious and really just use the mosque for weddings, ceremonies, etc.
And yet they are given more leverage than any other group in your country! Heck in your country is now a crime to even question or criticize Islam in any way, shape or form. If you do you are sent to jail probably awaiti9ng to be beheaded by muslims themselves.And the law you passed especially protects Islam giving it a leverage no other religion has even though they are a freaking minority.Narsil wrote:Which the current legislature is currently trying to clamp down on outside of perhaps the civil areas, with the 'leftist parliament' seeing this as a problem to be addressed. No non-Muslim in the country wants Sharia law and the United Kingdom is a Democracy. Muslims make up less than ten percent of the population.
Keep dreaming because given the facts stated previously is coming all right in fact you already have it in a limited form and it will only grow.Narsil wrote:Guess what is never going to happen.
Is that what you think is happening? That people are afraid to pay their physician's office a visit? A lot of people in the US rely on health plans, medicare etc. So is not them being afraid of going to the doctor because the visit would cost the same as any regular visit and medicare and whatever health plan you have covers such a visit at the very least.Narsil wrote:The funny thing; the swine flu is already in the UK. We have a sum total of forty-seven people infected with no deaths, according to the World Health Organisation. The United States in that very same source? Two thousand, five hundred, and thirty-two laboratory-confirmed cases, with six deaths. You know, if only people weren't afraid to visit their doctors when they had the flu because it'd cost them more money than just trying to get better...
Corruption does not equal Capitalism. Socialist systems are and have been as plagued with corruption as Capitalist ones...Narsil wrote:As opposed to brief wealth and then a massive banking crisis that's going to lead to... poverty for everyone. Really, this unrestrained capitalism lark is a greatly convincing alternative. It's just a pity this forum lacks the rolling-eyes smilie because my eyes are rolling so fast at the minute that they've begun to generate their own gravity field.
I will never trust utopian ideas... When something looks too good to be true it usually is. Socialism promises the moon on a silver platter but historically it has never delivered. The US has been a capitalist nation since it's inception. So has your country that only recently has somewhat adopted socialism. The UK became at one time the world's pre-eminent power. Because of both it's naval power and comercial success. The US latter on too became a military and most importantly a economic dinamo. If capitalism is entirely to blame then neither of the 2 counries would have enjoyed the level of success they enjoyed.Narsil wrote:What's your idea of a socialist country? If you mention the USSR, you'll have obviously rolled a 'natural 1' on your d20, leading to what is obviously a critical research failure. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, name as it is, was actually Communist. My idea of socialism is not communism, since communism is merely one subtype of socialism and was created partly as a rejection of the socialism of the time by one very notable man named Karl Marx. My idea of a socialist country is one that does merge the best of both; you really ought to start listening to what I'm actually saying. In the sort of socialism I advocate (democratic socialism), the intent isn't to get rid of private businesses, the intent to make sure that they don't do anything wrong.
Calling you an idiotic fuckwit isn't quite as bad as stating that someone is in veneration of a genocidal dictator. Just a tip. [/quote]And again keep your insults to yourself... So far I've shown more restrain than you...
How busy? Too busy that if your grandfather needed urgent medical attention they would have been to busy to assist? What?Narsil wrote:Why not? My grandfather, who needed a complex operation to solve an aneurysm in his spinal column, survived the so-called rigours of socialised medicine. More recently, he also survived a triple heart attack. Funnily enough, the hospitals I visited him in during both instances (a local one in Blackburn, and one in Lancaster) didn't appear to be all that crowded. In fact, the only patient I ever saw in more than passing was my grandfather as every patient had his or her own room.
The staff was busy, but then... I don't feel as if that should be a bad thing. Shows that they're doing something. Maybe Accident Emergency is a little bit more crowded, but hospitals in the UK, despite not losing the whole socialised medicine bit, have sort of become very sterile and much safer environments in the years since that article was written. How shocking; we see a problem with our medical system and we fix it.
Assuming you are talking about Socialized medicine I already told you that we socialized medicine here long ago through a government issued health card.Narsil wrote:Yes. Not used to that with the whole being-an-inch-away-from-being-an-American-thing, are you?
You guys still use pounds I thought you had already adopted Euros. (For both our sakes I will dismiss and disregard what you posted in regards to my brother. When it comes to your Grandfather I'm glad he is doing fine now, even though you do not share the same sentiment toward my brother)Narsil wrote:And to be quite honest, I don't care about your brother. I care about my grandfather, who did benefit from socialised medicine when he needed it the most. It was what made us vote all-out Labour one year, you see, and it's part of what really turned me on to the left wing. The fact that the left wing wouldn't try to charge someone thousands upon thousands of pounds for a basic human right to continue living.
And I still don't have a job yet, and people may well be unwilling to hire me due to the publicity, possibly negative at that, that I'd received.That's how laws get to be made when someone takes a stand.
*ahem*And mind you when it comes to sexual orientation there is no proof that people are born with it whatsoever or that is hereditary etc. In fact in just about all same sex couples that have children just about all of them turn out to be heterosexual and not the other way around and so do their children's children so there is not even evidence of homosexuality skipping generations as it does happen with other things you do get from birth...
The reasons behind building it, if I remember correctly, is to draw in more people to attend Mosque. While there are many practising Muslims, there are very few who attend Mosque due to their religions being made a secondary aspect of their lifestyles. Like a lot of practising Christians in this country, actually. Why aren't we building a megachurch? We already have one in every single city.Oh seriously? Is that why they are building a megamosque in your capital because they are so few practicing muslims? Get real!
I'd try to refute this, but I'm really going to go no further. Quite frankly, this paragraph proves that you are nothing but a fucking delusional and utterly paranoid idiot with absolutely no fucking clue as to how the UK and its general relationship with Islam actually works. If you criticise Islam in this country, you're treated in exactly the same way as if you'd criticised Christianity, Judaism or any other religion. To be quite honest, what you have just said is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.And yet they are given more leverage than any other group in your country! Heck in your country is now a crime to even question or criticize Islam in any way, shape or form. If you do you are sent to jail probably awaiti9ng to be beheaded by muslims themselves.And the law you passed especially protects Islam giving it a leverage no other religion has even though they are a freaking minority.