To shrink the font is not necessary any more. I will not continue the debate and I don't care if Serafina will quote something out of this post.
The last post of Serafina has convinced me that he is not really interested in debating that topic but to drag it on ad infinitum.
To give only two examples – and not more because Serafina will use everything I say to try to continue that pseudo-debate:
- In his last post he wrote » You then go on to attack my comparison of you to Nazis, white supremacists etc., claiming that i stated that you are similar. I did no such thing, you are not as bad as them. «
Have I misunderstood him?
Let’s see what he has written in his earlier posts:
After I stated that I think that I’m not a bigot because I think to have » a good comprehensible reason for my opinion «, he replied: » So had the Nazis, american-christian fundamentalists, white supremacist, gay-hating groups etc. etc. «
In my next post I wrote that » Now I even get compared with Nazis, American-Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, gay-hating groups etc. etc. « and he replied » Yes, you are. Because you use stunningly similar rhetoric. «.
Hands up!
Who thinks, after reading that, that Serafina has not compared me with Nazis, American-Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, gay-hating groups etc. etc.?
Who thinks that I’m comparable bad as Nazis, American-Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, gay-hating groups etc. etc but not yet as bad as them (maybe because I still haven’t murdered millions or at least haven’t propagandised their murder)?
- In my last post I wrote » that sex is basically the only criteria when the grammar gender is chosen for the addressing of an individual because the grammar gender is sex based and not gender based. « In the same post, I elaborated, that » the grammar genders of the German language […] are based only on two sexes and a neuter that is basically reserved for non–living things or categories that can’t be seen as only male or female « and that » there are exemption from that rule who cannot be explained but have to be internalised when learning the language. « In an earlier post of me, I provided already an example tor such exemption: » In the German language e.g. a man is masculine (der Mann) and a woman is feminine (die Frau), but while a boy is masculine (der Junge), a girl is neuter (das Mädchen). «
Please notice I stated that sex is basically the only criteria when the grammar gender is chosen for the addressing of an individual. I have not spoken of the grammar gender of things.
And what was Serafina’s reply?
He wrote below the quotation of the first of the above quoted sentences: » Oh, really? I guess there are no sex-less items then that are addressed with gender-pronouns, eh? Oh, wait - die Pfeife, der Ball, der Rasen, der Schuh, die Tribüne (since we have that much football around anyway). Your claim is simply baseless. «
That shows how much he has contemplated what I wrote. Or how much he has contemplated how to reply to what I have written.
I do not see the relevance of which grammar gender sex-less items have when the question is how an individual has to be addressed.
But maybe Serafina wants to argue that he is a sex-less item.
But even if, it ignores that even then the grammar gender of Serafina, the sex-less item, is a question that cannot be answered with a rule.
Because there is no rule that explains why die Pfeife (the pipe) or die Tribüne (the stand) is feminine and der Ball (the football), der Rasen (the lawn) or der Schuh (the shoe) is masculine.
Der Mensch (the human-being), der Hund (the dog), der Leichnam (the corpse) is also masculine while das Wesen (the entity), das Pferd (the horse) or das Organ (the organ) is neuter.
Why should Serafina, the sex-less item, be feminine when it could be masculine or neuter as well? Because he says so?
Let’s summarize what happened in that thread:
Instead of self-assured saying »
I’m a transwoman, someone with a male sex and female gender and I do want nothing more of you than that you let me live the way I want to live « Serafina says »
Pssst, I’m a transwoman. That means although I have a male sex my gender is female. But please now forget the fact that my sex is male and do not think of me as transsexual, a person with a male sex and female gender, but think of me as a “real” woman. «
Then he ignored each attempt to explain that it is not possible to willingly forget knowledge and that who knows that he has a male sex will, although the person might pretend to see him only as a “real” woman and will even change the way of speaking to make the act more convincing, always know that he has a male sex and will therefore think of him as someone male (with a female gender).
For Serafina it is not enough to be treated as a transsexual, that means letting him live as he wants and support him where it is necessary, no, he wants to dictate what we have to think or at least that we have to pretend to think something we know to be wrong.
We have to pretend that we do not know that he is no “real” woman but a transwoman and have to think of him only as a “real” woman.
Who is not able to forget facts or not willing to pretend something is, by default, a discriminating, intolerant bigot.
And let’s not forget the demanded abuse of language. The demand to use the female gender when addressing someone with a male sex equals the demand to change the grammar gender of e.g. sex-less items. To say das Pfeife, das Tribüne, das Rasen or die Schuh; die Mensch, die Hund, die Leichnam or der Pferd and der Organ sounds totally wrong because it is a violation of the German language. How it is done right can you see above. Maybe for a English-native-speaker that is not so important because the English language is not using different definite articles as we are [
O]. But because we are using such definite articles and it is important to use the right article, we learn quasi from birth the grammar gender of each German word and are not contemplating which grammar gender we are using. We simply know because it is ingrained in our thinking by the German language. It is the same when addressing an individual. We do not really contemplate which grammar gender we have to use. We automatically chose the grammar gender that matches the assumed sex and do not ask for the gender of a person.
I finish that post with the famous words of Rosa Luxemburg:
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Addendum:
The German people – or rather the
Federal Convention has elected a new
President today:
Christian Wulff.
He is a German politician who was strictly against the Allgemeine Gleichbehandlungsgesetz (Common non-discrimination law). In a speech 2005 in front of the
German Bundesrat he said »
We do not want to keep courts busy, we want to employ people « (» Wir wollen nicht die Gerichte beschäftigen, wir wollen Menschen beschäftigen «). The state in which he was Prime Minister until he was elected President, Lower Saxony, belongs to the last states of Germany which have adjusted their state law to the federal
Life Partnership Law that recognizes same sex unions. Only during his second mandate and only under the pressure of the
Liberals which were coaliton partner of his party, was the state law adjusted.
Christian Wulff is a member of the
board of trustees of the movement
ProChrist, a revival meeting, which tries to convert people to the belief into Jesus. Two weeks ago, he said in a speech in front of the bible centre of Bad Gandersheim (Bibelzentrum Bad Gandersheim), after he was invited by the fundamentalist Working Committee of Christian Publicists (Arbeitskreis christlicher Publizisten), that he will fight against the adulteration of the biblical message (Verwässerung der biblischen Botschaft).
He believes in Creationism and dismisses evolution and opposes abortion [
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I do not know if he has said anything about transsexuals. But somehow I do not believe that his opinion about transsexuals is friendlier than his opinion about homosexuals or atheists.
I’m afraid that this is a black day – not only for Serafina.