Best ramming between spaceships
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:43 pm
I was wondering for a long time how much a ship could withstand a collision. If a ship in a fight is cornered and decides to carry out a suicide attack how much would it damage the other? I remember the battle between Enterprise-E and Scimitar, practically Picard stalled a hopeless situation for him.
If you assess more extreme cases according to you in all the universes, is there a ship capable of blocking a drop of a 40k cruiser that are literally designed for repeated drops in naval combat? The ship has an adamantine armor several hundred meters thick, and the tip of the ship is even thicker and sharper, besides it has a ram-like awl with pure adamantine blades. All then seasoned with the fact that the ship reaches almost the speed of light (from the novels they report 0.9c) and has a mass of 31 million tons, that is how much energy develops? And if we consider the larger ships that reach 26km like the glorian class, or like the Abyss Class, the Hope, the Class buchephalus that are as big as continents?
1) The ships I saw in Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and Battlestar Galactica have a maximum armor thickness of ten meters and made of resistant materials (Neutronio,Tritanio ecc) but not at the absolute apex of resistance. Instead I noticed that the 40k Ships are made with the most resistant material in existence which is the Adamantium, moreover they have a thickness of several tens of meters for the cruisers and several hundred meters for the Gloriana, the Abyss Classes, Ark Speranza , Bucephalus and Imperator Somnium which are as long as a continent literally, so I assume they have a much greater thickness.
2) While it is true that clashes with long-range weapons are preferred, I have noticed that in many episodes they do not disdain to use a collision attack even at the opening of the battle, rather it is used very often if one has the possibility. This coupled with the fact that they have the bow of the ship made of blade with a thickness of adamantium much higher than the rest of the ship, and to the fact that they mount a spear in pure adamantine with the tip at least 200 meters wide led me to think that the ships they are designed for a continuous use of this attack (and I have had proof of this from the fact that the ships that rally do not report damage in the clashes), while the other ships of trek, wars etc. use it as a last resort because for them it is a use for which the ship was not designed.
3) Then I reflected on the fact that on average it is not rare to see a little bit in all the universes that often ships in combat lose their shields because their energy budget is saturated, and it doesn't take much then.
But the energy developed by a ship with a similar tonnage that travels at "almost" the speed of light is titanic (if anyone knows how to do it I'd like to calculate it), so I think the energy limit of the shields would be quickly saturated and the armor of ST, SW, SG and BG is neither made of a material comparable to the Adamantius, nor of a comparable thickness, and the ships were not designed for frequent use of collisions in combat. Moreover many ships of 40k have the Adamantio lance made of blades affixed to cut off hulls of tens of meters of adamantine and protected by shields of the void.
- For the larger ship classes I then got an idea of the armor resistance from the fighting in history, a Glorian Class alone can defeat an entire fleet of Imperium ships, so let's talk about cruisers like the Overlord and Retribution Class that with a single trip can Destroy an entire continent. To damage the shields of an Abyss Class, instead, prolonged bombardments of a Glorian Class, two orbital attack platforms and many other cruisers were necessary, we are talking about an impressive volume of fire, and only managed to undermine the shields. armor.
These are the assumptions that made me ask the question, since I was too vague I would like to limit the field a little by taking only a few direct clashes of ships that are more or less known:
Overlord class (5 km - 31 million tons - 0.9c - armor in adamantium of about ten meters) vs Star Destroyer / Enterprise-E / Daedalus / Galactica
Retribution Class (8km - weight in billions of tons - 0.9c - armor in adamantios of hundreds of meters) vs Star Destroyer / Enterprise-E / Daedalus / Galactica
Retribution Class vs. Super Star Destroyer Ex / Eclipse / Mega Star Destroyer
Gloriana Class (26km - unknown weight but you can make a proportion - 0.9c - armor in adamancy of several hundred meters) vs Ex Super Star Destroyer / Eclipse / Mega Star Destroyer /
Abyss Class (dimensions of a continent - proportional weight - 0.9c - armor in proportion) vs Super Star Destroyer Ex / Eclipse / Mega Star Destroyer /
I have tried to give various examples with known ships of varying sizes, what is your opinion in it?
In itself as a weapon the ramming is not really ideal, obviously if you can it is better to resort to standard weapons, mine was just a curiosity to have a chat.
(excuse me ever for my english please)
If you assess more extreme cases according to you in all the universes, is there a ship capable of blocking a drop of a 40k cruiser that are literally designed for repeated drops in naval combat? The ship has an adamantine armor several hundred meters thick, and the tip of the ship is even thicker and sharper, besides it has a ram-like awl with pure adamantine blades. All then seasoned with the fact that the ship reaches almost the speed of light (from the novels they report 0.9c) and has a mass of 31 million tons, that is how much energy develops? And if we consider the larger ships that reach 26km like the glorian class, or like the Abyss Class, the Hope, the Class buchephalus that are as big as continents?
1) The ships I saw in Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and Battlestar Galactica have a maximum armor thickness of ten meters and made of resistant materials (Neutronio,Tritanio ecc) but not at the absolute apex of resistance. Instead I noticed that the 40k Ships are made with the most resistant material in existence which is the Adamantium, moreover they have a thickness of several tens of meters for the cruisers and several hundred meters for the Gloriana, the Abyss Classes, Ark Speranza , Bucephalus and Imperator Somnium which are as long as a continent literally, so I assume they have a much greater thickness.
2) While it is true that clashes with long-range weapons are preferred, I have noticed that in many episodes they do not disdain to use a collision attack even at the opening of the battle, rather it is used very often if one has the possibility. This coupled with the fact that they have the bow of the ship made of blade with a thickness of adamantium much higher than the rest of the ship, and to the fact that they mount a spear in pure adamantine with the tip at least 200 meters wide led me to think that the ships they are designed for a continuous use of this attack (and I have had proof of this from the fact that the ships that rally do not report damage in the clashes), while the other ships of trek, wars etc. use it as a last resort because for them it is a use for which the ship was not designed.
3) Then I reflected on the fact that on average it is not rare to see a little bit in all the universes that often ships in combat lose their shields because their energy budget is saturated, and it doesn't take much then.
But the energy developed by a ship with a similar tonnage that travels at "almost" the speed of light is titanic (if anyone knows how to do it I'd like to calculate it), so I think the energy limit of the shields would be quickly saturated and the armor of ST, SW, SG and BG is neither made of a material comparable to the Adamantius, nor of a comparable thickness, and the ships were not designed for frequent use of collisions in combat. Moreover many ships of 40k have the Adamantio lance made of blades affixed to cut off hulls of tens of meters of adamantine and protected by shields of the void.
- For the larger ship classes I then got an idea of the armor resistance from the fighting in history, a Glorian Class alone can defeat an entire fleet of Imperium ships, so let's talk about cruisers like the Overlord and Retribution Class that with a single trip can Destroy an entire continent. To damage the shields of an Abyss Class, instead, prolonged bombardments of a Glorian Class, two orbital attack platforms and many other cruisers were necessary, we are talking about an impressive volume of fire, and only managed to undermine the shields. armor.
These are the assumptions that made me ask the question, since I was too vague I would like to limit the field a little by taking only a few direct clashes of ships that are more or less known:
Overlord class (5 km - 31 million tons - 0.9c - armor in adamantium of about ten meters) vs Star Destroyer / Enterprise-E / Daedalus / Galactica
Retribution Class (8km - weight in billions of tons - 0.9c - armor in adamantios of hundreds of meters) vs Star Destroyer / Enterprise-E / Daedalus / Galactica
Retribution Class vs. Super Star Destroyer Ex / Eclipse / Mega Star Destroyer
Gloriana Class (26km - unknown weight but you can make a proportion - 0.9c - armor in adamancy of several hundred meters) vs Ex Super Star Destroyer / Eclipse / Mega Star Destroyer /
Abyss Class (dimensions of a continent - proportional weight - 0.9c - armor in proportion) vs Super Star Destroyer Ex / Eclipse / Mega Star Destroyer /
I have tried to give various examples with known ships of varying sizes, what is your opinion in it?
In itself as a weapon the ramming is not really ideal, obviously if you can it is better to resort to standard weapons, mine was just a curiosity to have a chat.
(excuse me ever for my english please)