United Federation of Planets vs Galacitic Empire

[Who is like God arbour]

Sorry if I erred, it had seemed to recall many claims made that the ships were under the shields during the battle, thus why we didn't see it...
Meh...

If the ships were under the activated shields, how could Grievous escape?

[Mike DiCenso]

That's all they are is claims, although I do understand that the EU in the desperate attempt at damage control retconning has made a similar claim in one of the books, and others have claimed that the shields were disabled by sabotage and so on. Yet suprisingly, those claims are no where to be found in the G-level canon, even when it would have made good sense to do so for the story.
-Mike

[KirkSkyWalker]

[...] Cosruscant had a planetary shield [...] in the RotS novelization, which is G-Canon...

Not as far as I can remember.
Please provide a quote from the RotS novelization that shows that Cosruscant had a planetary shield.

Even if it is in the novel we know that absolute canon resides in the movies and i do not remember Cosruscant being protected by a shield at all during the movie or a shield being mentioned.

It doesn't have to mentioned, to be implied. Let's analyze:
1. Coruscant was a city-wide planet.
2. Cities are typically protected by theater-shields, which can stop any bombardment that the droid-army could throw at them.
3. Coruscant was under attack in RotS.
4. Coruscant was never bombarded during the attack.

So what stopped the bombardment, other than a shield or shields?

I would say that only a shield would have prevented bombardment from reaching the surface, so therefore I submit that Coruscant was indeed shielded by at least enough theater-shields to cover the entire planet.

[Who is like God arbour]

From the RotS novelization:

• • The skies of Coruscant blaze with war.
    The artificial daylight spread by the capital's orbital mirrors is sliced by intersecting flames of ion drives and punctuated by starburst explosions; contrails of debris raining into the atmosphere become tangled ribbons of cloud.
    
    • • • • [...]
    The dayside surface of the capital planet was shrouded in smoke from a million fires touched off by meteorite impacts of ship fragments; far too many had fallen to be tracked and destroyed by the planet's surface-defense umbrella. The nightside's sheet of artificial lights faded behind the red-white glow from craters of burning steel; each impact left a caldera of unimaginable death. In the skies of Coruscant now, the important vessels were no longer warships, but were instead the fire-suppression and rescue craft that crisscrossed the planet.
    
    • • • • [...]
    Mace Windu hung on to the corrugated hatch grip beside the gunship's open troop bay with one hand, squinting into the wind that whipped his overcloak behind him. His other hand shaded his eyes against the glare from one of the orbital mirrors that concentrated the capital planet's daylight. The mirror was slowly turning aside now, allowing a band of twilight to approach the gunship's destination.
    That destination, a kilometer-thick landing platform in the planet's vast industrial zone, was marked with a steeply slanting tower of smoke and vapor that stretched from the planet's surface to the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, a tower that only now was beginning to spread and coil from its tiny source point to a horizon-spanning smear across the stratospheric winds.
    
    • • • • [...]
    Anakin's heart pounded in his throat, but he kept smiling, and nodding, and shaking hands - and trying desperately to work his way toward a familiar golden-domed protocol droid who hung back beyond the crowd of Senators, right arm lifted in a small, tentative wave at R2-D2.
    She wasn't here. Why wasn't she here? Something must have happened.
    He knew, deep in his guts, that something had happened to her. An accident, or she was sick, or she'd been caught in one of the vast number of buildings hit by debris from the battle today... She might be trapped somewhere right now, might be wounded, might be smothering, calling out his name, might be feeling the approach of flames -

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

It doesn't have to mentioned, to be implied. Let's analyze:
1. Coruscant was a city-wide planet.
2. Cities are typically protected by theater-shields, which can stop any bombardment that the droid-army could throw at them.
3. Coruscant was under attack in RotS.
4. Coruscant was never bombarded during the attack.

So what stopped the bombardment, other than a shield or shields?

I would say that only a shield would have prevented bombardment from reaching the surface, so therefore I submit that Coruscant was indeed shielded by at least enough theater-shields to cover the entire planet.

1. Ok.
2. When is that mentioned in any movie?.
3. Ok.
4. Says who?.


Point 2 seems to be missing from being mentioned in any movie and is essential, point 4 is also wrong.

Still at least

1. Coruscant was a city-wide planet.

and

3. Coruscant was under attack in RotS.

are correct...

[Praeothmin]

And as WILGA's book passages show, Coruscant was damaged by the falling debris and Anakin did not have to pass through any shields to land the damaged ship, so if Copruscant had shields, they were either:
A- Above the battle;
B- Only covering parts of the planet;
C- Weak beyond belief;
D- Turned off/Sabotaged prior to the attack.

[KirkSkyWalker]

It doesn't have to mentioned, to be implied. Let's analyze:
1. Coruscant was a city-wide planet.
2. Cities are typically protected by theater-shields, which can stop any bombardment that the droid-army could throw at them.
3. Coruscant was under attack in RotS.
4. Coruscant was never bombarded during the attack.

So what stopped the bombardment, other than a shield or shields?

I would say that only a shield would have prevented bombardment from reaching the surface, so therefore I submit that Coruscant was indeed shielded by at least enough theater-shields to cover the entire planet.

2. When is that mentioned in any movie?.

Ep. V.
The rebel-base on Hoth was protected by a theater-shields whch could stop any bombardment, until the AT-AT's knocked out the shield-generators.

4. Says who?.

That's backwards-- nobody says it was bombarded, and there was no evidence of such.

[KirkSkyWalker]

And as WILGA's book passages show, Coruscant was damaged by the falling debris and Anakin did not have to pass through any shields to land the damaged ship, so if Copruscant had shields, they were either:
A- Above the battle;
B- Only covering parts of the planet;
C- Weak beyond belief;
D- Turned off/Sabotaged prior to the attack.

There's 2 types of shields in SW: particle-shields which stop solid objects, and ray-shields which stop energy. Theater-shields seem to be ray-shields, since since they can be penetrated by solid objects like droids, AT-AT's etc.
Particle-shields, meanwhile, seem to be smaller in area, and protect ships only.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Ep. V.
The rebel-base on Hoth was protected by a theater-shields whch could stop any bombardment, until the AT-AT's knocked out the shield-generators.

Hoth was a rebal base not a city, you asserted that:

"2. Cities are typically protected by theater-shields, which can stop any bombardment that the droid-army could throw at them."

What evidence do we have of your actual claim regarding cities?.

That's backwards-- nobody says it was bombarded, and there was no evidence of such.

Nobody says it was shielded either nor is their evidence of such (a bombardment not being mentioned is not evidence).

Actually the mention of falling debris hitting the surface shows that Coruscant was not protected by a shield but by a surface-defense umbrella that was supposed to shoot down incoming material but was overwhelmed by the quantity.

Unless you are saying the shield was taken down or the ships some how got under it and were fighting........as such you would have a large burden of proof to fill with either of those.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Is there a shield over coruscant?

[KirkSkyWalker]

Ep. V.
The rebel-base on Hoth was protected by a theater-shields whch could stop any bombardment, until the AT-AT's knocked out the shield-generators.

Hoth was a rebal base not a city,

No, it was a PLANET.
The rebel-base on Hoth was about the size of a city.

you asserted that:
"2. Cities are typically protected by theater-shields, which can stop any bombardment that the droid-army could throw at them."

What evidence do we have of your actual claim regarding cities?.

Deductive logic-- as I stated from the outset. Things don't have to mentioned if they're redundant-- like energy-bombardments during planetary attacks. Theater-shields are the type of shield that would cover a city, since it was big enough-- and it's the only type which can protect an entire city from energy-bombardment.

Since Coruscant's cities (i.e. the whole planet) weren't destroyed or impacted by bombardment during the attack on the planet, then logically they were protected by theater-shields-- and I'm talking energy-bombardment: lasters, blasters etc. While a defense-umbrella can shoot down incoming ships and debris, it can't stop energy-bombardment-- that's where theater-shields come in.
Either that, or the droid-army was attacking without energy-bombardment-- obviously not very likely.

[KirkSkyWalker]

Is there a shield over coruscant?

The only alternative is that the droid-army chose not to use energy-bombardment in their attack on the planet-- and I'd rule that out as a possibility.

[Praeothmin]

BTW, the AT-ATs at Hoth came in under the shield, not through, else all that would have been needed to take out the base would have been for bombers or even an ISD to come in through the shield and then start firing...
So the shield had to be both a Particle and a Ray shield...

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

The rebel-base on Hoth was about the size of a city.

Again says who?.

Deductive logic-- as I stated from the outset.

So nothing but your opinion then?.

Things don't have to mentioned if they're redundant-- like energy-bombardments during planetary attacks.

So the bombardment could have happended but was just not mentioned then.

Since Coruscant's cities (i.e. the whole planet) weren't destroyed or impacted by bombardment during the attack on the planet, then logically they were protected by theater-shields-- and I'm talking energy-bombardment: lasters, blasters etc.

1. Or as you said above mentioning the bombardment would be redundant so it did happen but nobody mentioned it or the damage caused is just as logical.

2. They did the smart thing at shot at the things shooting at them first (IE: OTHER SHIPS) rather than focusing their weapons on the planet that was not shooting at them while getting destroyed by the enemy ships. This scenario is much more logical....

3. Proton torps along with other torp types would be effective through your imaginary ray-shields but were not mentioned as being used either, as would fighters ect ect.


Sorry but you cannot imagine planetary shields into existance even if you hide behind calling it "logic". Mainly because there are plenty of more logical explanations for a bombardment not being mentioned or simply not happening.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Is there a shield over coruscant?

The only alternative is that the droid-army chose not to use energy-bombardment in their attack on the planet-- and I'd rule that out as a possibility.

You rule out the fact that the droid ships chose to fire at the ships shooting at them first rather than just getting pounded and destroyed while firing on the planet instead?.

Military targets first then civillian targets dude, doing it in reverse gets your ass kicked.