What's accepted SW canon?

[Mike DiCenso]

So you're simplistically claiming that everything GL produces is movie-canon, simply because it has the name "Star Wars" on it and GL approves.

Not sure where you are going with this. From the evidence provided, Lucas is giving his approval to the CGI SW:TCW series by being actively involved in this in a way that he is not with the "parallel universe" of the EU material. We have him producing, providing direction, and even being involved in script writing. That's as canon as canon gets for Star Wars. Furthermore, as provided in the quote above he considers this series to be Star Wars, not part of the parallel universe.

So, with me providing evidence and you providing.... what... Snappy third-grader comebacks? You're not making a case for discarding the CGI TCW.
-Mike

[Lucky]

But TCW definitely is not.

Are you talking about this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars%3A_Clone_Wars, or this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War ... %28film%29?

No, but that shoe fits... as well.

Since you failed to answer my simple question I have to assume you don't know the difference, and are foolishly unwilling to admit it. That reflects poorly on your knowledge of what we are talking about.

The Samurai Jack style one is as I understand it is an in-universe pro-jedi propaganda peace making it an in-universe work of fiction.^_^

The CGI series is most certainly Lucas's work from what I've read. It's a bad idea to get the two series with similar names mixed up.

IOW you're saying it's a good idea to pick and choose at whim, which cartoons are real

Count how many things are wrong with this animated picture.

What does IOW mean

Since you don't know the difference, and clearly have never bothered to do even the most basic of research you look like a fool.

Star Wars: Clone Wars is contradictory to the movies and at least most Star Wars novels(G-C levels of canon) in just about every scene. I have read an article at Star Wars.com that said it was in-universe fiction inspired by what a little kid saw during the Clone Wars. It's all about the rule of cool, and is N-canon.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars(Movie and TV series) tries to be faithful to the movies, deosn't care about the extended universe, and going by quotes by a number of people(like Gorge Lucas) you have seen posted in this thread has Gorge Lucas personally working on it at many levels, and Gorge Lucas personally has said it is true Star Wars in his eyes. After all Gorge is having a great time making it.
Chee has given it a ranking in the levels of canon just below the movies, but it is not consider part of the expanded universe.

The GL cartoon, is just as non-movie canon as the Genndy Tartakovsky one; as noted here:

What does a Green Lantern cartoon have to do with Star Wars?

How does not being a movie make Star Wars: The Clone Wars non-canon given the quotes seen in various sources?

What were you trying to prove with the wiki link?

Give clear answers.

[The Dude]

IOW=In Other Words

[KirkSkyWalker]

So you're simplistically claiming that everything GL produces is movie-canon, simply because it has the name "Star Wars" on it and GL approves.

Not sure where you are going with this. From the evidence provided, Lucas is giving his approval to the CGI SW:TCW series by being actively involved in this in a way that he is not with the "parallel universe" of the EU material. We have him producing, providing direction, and even being involved in script writing. That's as canon as canon gets for Star Wars. Furthermore, as provided in the quote above he considers this series to be Star Wars, not part of the parallel universe.

So, with me providing evidence and you providing.... what... Snappy third-grader comebacks? You're not making a case for discarding the CGI TCW.
-Mike

It fits with your logic, i.e. "We have him producing, providing direction, and even being involved in script writing. That's as canon as canon gets for Star Wars."
Sorry, you fail logic forever.

[KirkSkyWalker]

But TCW definitely is not.

Are you talking about this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars%3A_Clone_Wars, or this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War ... %28film%29?

No, but that shoe fits... as well.

Since you failed to answer my simple question I have to assume you don't know the difference, and are foolishly unwilling to admit it. That reflects poorly on your knowledge of what we are talking about.

The Samurai Jack style one is as I understand it is an in-universe pro-jedi propaganda peace making it an in-universe work of fiction.^_^

The CGI series is most certainly Lucas's work from what I've read. It's a bad idea to get the two series with similar names mixed up.

IOW you're saying it's a good idea to pick and choose at whim, which cartoons are real

Count how many things are wrong with this animated picture.

What does IOW mean

Since you don't know the difference, and clearly have never bothered to do even the most basic of research you look like a fool.

Star Wars: Clone Wars is contradictory to the movies and at least most Star Wars novels(G-C levels of canon) in just about every scene. I have read an article at Star Wars.com that said it was in-universe fiction inspired by what a little kid saw during the Clone Wars. It's all about the rule of cool, and is N-canon.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars(Movie and TV series) tries to be faithful to the movies, deosn't care about the extended universe, and going by quotes by a number of people(like Gorge Lucas) you have seen posted in this thread has Gorge Lucas personally working on it at many levels, and Gorge Lucas personally has said it is true Star Wars in his eyes. After all Gorge is having a great time making it.
Chee has given it a ranking in the levels of canon just below the movies, but it is not consider part of the expanded universe.

The GL cartoon, is just as non-movie canon as the Genndy Tartakovsky one; as noted here:

What does a Green Lantern cartoon have to do with Star Wars?

How does not being a movie make Star Wars: The Clone Wars non-canon given the quotes seen in various sources?

What were you trying to prove with the wiki link?

Give clear answers.

The phrase "a ranking in the levels of canon just below the movies" just means that it's more faitlful to the movies than the EU, like a thousand times exaggerated is closer than a million.

[Lucky]

But TCW definitely is not.

Are you talking about this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars%3A_Clone_Wars, or this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War ... %28film%29?

No, but that shoe fits... as well.

Since you failed to answer my simple question I have to assume you don't know the difference, and are foolishly unwilling to admit it. That reflects poorly on your knowledge of what we are talking about.

The Samurai Jack style one is as I understand it is an in-universe pro-jedi propaganda peace making it an in-universe work of fiction.^_^

The CGI series is most certainly Lucas's work from what I've read. It's a bad idea to get the two series with similar names mixed up.

IOW you're saying it's a good idea to pick and choose at whim, which cartoons are real

Count how many things are wrong with this animated picture.

What does IOW mean

Since you don't know the difference, and clearly have never bothered to do even the most basic of research you look like a fool.

Star Wars: Clone Wars is contradictory to the movies and at least most Star Wars novels(G-C levels of canon) in just about every scene. I have read an article at Star Wars.com that said it was in-universe fiction inspired by what a little kid saw during the Clone Wars. It's all about the rule of cool, and is N-canon.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars(Movie and TV series) tries to be faithful to the movies, deosn't care about the extended universe, and going by quotes by a number of people(like Gorge Lucas) you have seen posted in this thread has Gorge Lucas personally working on it at many levels, and Gorge Lucas personally has said it is true Star Wars in his eyes. After all Gorge is having a great time making it.
Chee has given it a ranking in the levels of canon just below the movies, but it is not consider part of the expanded universe.

The GL cartoon, is just as non-movie canon as the Genndy Tartakovsky one; as noted here:

What does a Green Lantern cartoon have to do with Star Wars?

How does not being a movie make Star Wars: The Clone Wars non-canon given the quotes seen in various sources?

What were you trying to prove with the wiki link?

Give clear answers.

The phrase "a ranking in the levels of canon just below the movies" just means that it's more faitlful to the movies than the EU, like a thousand times exaggerated is closer than a million.

Story wise Star Wars: The Clone Wars is on the same level as the movies. There are enough quotes in this thread to prove that.

Visual effects are pretty much the same as the movies given they are both CGI. You can example put an AT-ET from the movies next to an AT-ET from the TV series, and there will be little if any difference since they are both CGI.

If you put Obiwon from the movies next to Obiwon from the TV series you will note major differences in appearance.

The differences between the movies and Star Wars: The Clone Wars are simply cosmetic.

I would actually take the Tv series over the live action movies for what Jedi can do because the TV series is not limited in the ways the live action movies are.

[Praeothmin]

I didn't argue that. We're discussing what's valid within the movie-universe, not the whole darn SW franchise.

Nope, that is not what we started arguing about.
We started arguing about whether what is seen in C or even T-canon is considered "true" SW and is valid in debates, to which my original answer was, and still is:
If it doesn't contradict the higher canon, then yes it is valid.
Plus, GL does have influence over the lower canon has many interviews have shown, and he does indeed consider the lower canon as SW, not "a diluted SW", "a false SW", or anything like that...

But TCW definitely is not.

Not movie canon?
Nope, as was mentioned many times, but very close to it, because it continues the stories from the movies, tying in many things, and making damn sure they don't contradict the movies...
Is it "True" SW?
Definitely...

The point is that none of it is relevant to the movie-universe. Certain events in RotS not only contradict those in TCW, but preclude them,

It is closely tied to tne movies.
And we are still waiting for your evidence that events in RotS contradict those in TCW...

Lucas is giving his approval to the CGI SW:TCW series by being actively involved in this in a way that he is not with the "parallel universe" of the EU material. We have him producing, providing direction, and even being involved in script writing.

This means GL is as involved in TCW as he was for TESB, as he did not direct the movie, nor was he the script-writer, he simply provided story lines, and let someone else direct the movie.
According to KSW logic, TESB isn't part of GL's version of SW either...

[KirkSkyWalker]

I didn't argue that. We're discussing what's valid within the movie-universe, not the whole darn SW franchise.

Nope, that is not what we started arguing about.
We started arguing about whether what is seen in C or even T-canon is considered "true" SW and is valid in debates, to which my original answer was, and still is:
If it doesn't contradict the higher canon, then yes it is valid.

Then you have to PROVE it doesn't contradict the movies; and the only way to do that, is if it's IN the movies.
So it's a moot point.

[Mr. Oragahn]

IOW=In Other Words

Imperium of Woman

[Mr. Oragahn]

So you're simplistically claiming that everything GL produces is movie-canon, simply because it has the name "Star Wars" on it and GL approves.

Not sure where you are going with this. From the evidence provided, Lucas is giving his approval to the CGI SW:TCW series by being actively involved in this in a way that he is not with the "parallel universe" of the EU material. We have him producing, providing direction, and even being involved in script writing. That's as canon as canon gets for Star Wars. Furthermore, as provided in the quote above he considers this series to be Star Wars, not part of the parallel universe.

So, with me providing evidence and you providing.... what... Snappy third-grader comebacks? You're not making a case for discarding the CGI TCW.
-Mike

Safe perhaps for that latest video game about Vader's bitc--- disciple, Legacy of teh Force or something.

[Praeothmin]

Then you have to PROVE it doesn't contradict the movies; and the only way to do that, is if it's IN the movies.
So it's a moot point.

You don't seem to understand what a contradiction actually is.
-For example, if the EU says Obi-Wan always wears blue underwear, and we never see of hear anything relating to Obi-Wan's underwaer in the movies, then this statement does not, in any way, contradict the movies, since there was never any mention of this...
-But, in the case of the 200 GT TL's on an Acclamator, movies seem to show no guns, or at least no HTLs on an Acclamator, so the EU source showing these guns is wrong. Same thing for the KT missiles used in the Geonosis fight, it they had them, they would have had ample reasons to use them, or even use them with the power dialed down a bit, but they never did, even when it would have been useful, which infers a contradiction, because those missiles are used in the movies, and never show yields even remotely approaching those in the EU source...

And there are plenty of stories and events, or facts, from the EU, that do not contradict the movies...

[The Dude]

IOW=In Other Words

Imperium of Woman

Don't want to hang around there around the end of the month...

[Mr. Oragahn]

The gore isn't much of a problem in the franchise. Amirite?

[The Dude]

lol

[Picard]

Then you have to PROVE it doesn't contradict the movies; and the only way to do that, is if it's IN the movies.
So it's a moot point.

You don't seem to understand what a contradiction actually is.
-For example, if the EU says Obi-Wan always wears blue underwear, and we never see of hear anything relating to Obi-Wan's underwaer in the movies, then this statement does not, in any way, contradict the movies, since there was never any mention of this...
-But, in the case of the 200 GT TL's on an Acclamator, movies seem to show no guns, or at least no HTLs on an Acclamator, so the EU source showing these guns is wrong. Same thing for the KT missiles used in the Geonosis fight, it they had them, they would have had ample reasons to use them, or even use them with the power dialed down a bit, but they never did, even when it would have been useful, which infers a contradiction, because those missiles are used in the movies, and never show yields even remotely approaching those in the EU source...

And there are plenty of stories and events, or facts, from the EU, that do not contradict the movies...

But main problem is that it offers lot of room for manipulation and excuses. Like "they dialed down power" and "bridge did not have neutronium armor, rest of ship did" etc. (used on SDN). And with that policy, it means that EU is canon... unless contradicted by higher canon. And most of folk on SDN will inevitably try to remove any contradiction in such way that it does not contradict EII ICS wank.