Battle of Endor with trek ships

[Lucky]

Back on topic and not directed to lucky:

I don't mean to rain on anyones parade here, but this is trivial at best, and you'll be laughed off of most forums if you start claiming the absurd like navigational deflectors magically stopping lasers without limit. I believe the exact words would be, "We found someone worse than Darkstar," On his site he even says that logically it can't take infinite lasers. Oh and.. before I forget he maintains quite clearly that turbolasers and blasters aren't lasers in the sense that we understand them.


Which you know, was my point that you've continued to ignore and instead have simply said, "it works at FTL and is uber powerful so turbo lasers can't hit them."

You made a claim that looked to me like you were saying that the navi-defelector only worked when the ship was at warp. I provided a quote that showed the navi-deflector worked even when at what seemed to be a full stop. I was never talking about Star Wars.

Are Turbolaser bolts technobabblely enough to get though UFP shields, I don't know.
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I take it black holes and even Sol are no limits fallacies since they change the path of light? Gravity will beat photons 100% of the time, and Federation shields are gravity plus some other stuff.. It is 100% hard science that if you properly control gravity then you can make an unbeatable anti-laser defense, and we know the UFP and similar powers are at that level. It doesn't matter how powerful the laser. It has to obey the laws of physics. http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Movi ... ni0369.jpg
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The quote in question had to do with taking a non-warp capable shuttle from Earth, and skimming Jupiter's atmosphere as i recall. I may have been misremembering, but this seems to be the thread. http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=163985
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If they thought I was "worse" then Darkstar then I guess that would be a compliment.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

The Battle of Yavin? Their fastest turbolasers couldn't hit X-wing fighters.
And then there's the fact that lasers can't even cut through a starship's navigational deflectors...
Ok, hold it right there-- step away from that EU comic-book! :D

Why don't you go rewatch the battle against the dominion when they were trying to close the wormhole:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN5cR_1Y ... re=related

9:46. ZOMG your uber powerful Federation ships can't hit starfighters either.


Back on topic, the Federation reinforcements could do absolutely no damage to the Death Star 2, and would merely provide brief distractions and divert fire away from the Rebel starfighters. If they were smart, the Federation commanders would have their ships move at very high speeds around the imperial fleet and hope that the imperial commanders are stupid enough to waste shots trying to hit them. Then, beam themselves to a Rebel ship and give them transporter technology.

[Mike DiCenso]

9:46. ZOMG your uber powerful Federation ships can't hit starfighters either.

There's no Federation ship or missing any starfighters in that fan cut video.

On the other hand, we have seen several times Federation starships, even under crappy conditions hit and destroy multiple, heavily shielded and armed fighters as seen here and the weaker Lysian drone fighters seen here at 3:01. So...ZOMG! You were wrong!
-Mike

[Trinoya]

You made a claim that looked to me like you were saying that the navi-defelector only worked when the ship was at warp. I provided a quote that showed the navi-deflector worked even when at what seemed to be a full stop. I was never talking about Star Wars.

My contention was that it is clear the navigational deflector was weaker when not at warp... which it clearly is or else many many things would never have been an issue.

I take it black holes and even Sol are no limits fallacies since they change the path of light?

Black holes and the sun will eventually cease to be, as such they are not a no limits fallacy. On a pure side note: The Enterprise has a substantially smaller upper limit on power generation capability in comparison to them.

[User1462]

Why don't you go rewatch the battle against the dominion when they were trying to close the wormhole:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN5cR_1Y ... re=related

9:46. ZOMG your uber powerful Federation ships can't hit starfighters either.

I don't see that at all.

Back on topic, the Federation reinforcements could do absolutely no damage to the Death Star 2,

On what evidence do you base that conclusion?
Logically, FTL ships with FTL weapons and deflectors can shoot through sublight-shield tech.

and would merely provide brief distractions and divert fire away from the Rebel starfighters.

Warp-driven ships can't distract what can't see them.
When a ship moves at warp, it's invisible without FTL sensors, and likewise it would be immune to turbolasers due to speed alone; but again, sublight-weapons can't possibly penetrate FTL-shield tech.

[User1462]

You made a claim that looked to me like you were saying that the navi-defelector only worked when the ship was at warp. I provided a quote that showed the navi-deflector worked even when at what seemed to be a full stop. I was never talking about Star Wars.

My contention was that it is clear the navigational deflector was weaker when not at warp... which it clearly is or else many many things would never have been an issue.

I provided a quote from the BoBW1 text that the main deflector-mod was more powerful than anything their phasers or torpeoes could create, and it was fired out of warp.
Logically, the ship has more power to channel through the deflector when it's not powering the warp-engines. In fact, it's absurd to think that the ship would have more power while at warp, since obviously so much power is consumed in sustaining the warp-bubble.

I take it black holes and even Sol are no limits fallacies since they change the path of light?

Black holes and the sun will eventually cease to be, as such they are not a no limits fallacy. On a pure side note: The Enterprise has a substantially smaller upper limit on power generation capability in comparison to them

Not per unit of mass. Romulan ships use an artificial quantum singularity for their warp-drive, but Fed engines are superior to Romulan.

As for fed shields "stoppng lasers without limit," the fact is that lasers are more limited than fed shieds by their very nature, and so it's moot to ask how much laser-power is needed to bring down a fed shield; it's like asking how big a catapultyou'd need to take down an F-18.

[Trinoya]

I provided a quote from the BoBW1 text that the main deflector-mod was more powerful than anything their phasers or torpeoes could create, and it was fired out of warp.
Logically, the ship has more power to channel through the deflector when it's not powering the warp-engines. In fact, it's absurd to think that the ship would have more power while at warp, since obviously so much power is consumed in sustaining the warp-bubble.

I'm reasonably sure you're not bothering to even read what I type... or for that matter what you type.

First off: The ability of the deflector dish to be modified to channel all the ships power into a beam has absolutely nothing to do with its capabilities for pushing matter out of the way. You're arguing about things not even at the topic at hand.. and you continue to do so... I've tried to spell it out for you and you are clearly ignoring it.

Second: None of this disproves my assertion that it's obvious that the deflector dish is some how more powerful at moving things out of the way when the ship is traveling at warp. Since the primary differences between a ship at warp and not at warp is the presence of a warp field and the speed it must be one of those two things affecting it. I contend the warpfield somehow allows a ship to better deal with objects in space through the navigational deflector. What is so hard to understand about it?


Also, again, you've entirely ignored my point about turbo lasers not being lasers. Which you know, was the only thing that I pointed out in the first place.

Not per unit of mass. Romulan ships use an artificial quantum singularity for their warp-drive, but Fed engines are superior to Romulan.

As for fed shields "stoppng lasers without limit," the fact is that lasers are more limited than fed shieds by their very nature, and so it's moot to ask how much laser-power is needed to bring down a fed shield; it's like asking how big a catapultyou'd need to take down an F-18.

All of which is irrelevant and doesn't contradict my point made in regards to them.

If you're gonna present some evidence or address my original point about turbo lasers, fine... otherwise you're just repeating the same thing, none of which actually contradicts my point about the deflector being more powerful at warp speeds.

[Lucky]

My contention was that it is clear the navigational deflector was weaker when not at warp... which it clearly is or else many many things would never have been an issue.

I would assume it just gets less power when not at warp. It is capable of channeling the entire output of the warp-core if they want to. I guess it's semantics.

What are these many many things that would not have been an issue?

Black holes and the sun will eventually cease to be, as such they are not a no limits fallacy. On a pure side note: The Enterprise has a substantially smaller upper limit on power generation capability in comparison to them.

I would like to see where you got the maximum out put for a federation ship. All I recall is numbers for when the ship is sitting in orbit, and Q is messing with stuff.

Shields have to be powered, and activated, there Star Trek shields have limits.

We are talking about a series where the ships dive in and out of black hole, create wormholes, and travel faster then light by warping space-time.. The UFP has mastered gravity pure and simple. Voyager was able to make a Gravitational singularity by bouncing gravitons off the main deflector dish, then there is was the gravimetric torpedo that was theorized to be to make wormhole, and all the talk of lasers being useless just proves what the UFP can do with gravity.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gravimetric_torpedo
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Black_hole
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Black_star
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Event_horizon
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Singularity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

How or if they cheat the energy requirements we just don't know

[User1462]

Oh god.. just.. whoa.. Okay, well let me first say that I'd really like you to address my only point (IE: That turbolasers aren't lasers). Since you seem eager for debate and a lesson here, I'll be happy to oblige however.

Because there was nothing to address. You're claiming that TL-beams are some mysical magincal phlebotimum which can't be stopped by deflectors, but you fail to PROVE it.

No, I claimed they weren't lasers. Which they aren't.

But you didn't say what they are, so my original statement stands.

You then asserted that they could be stopped by the navigational deflector because it stops things from hitting the ship. Which is a no limits fallacy and you notablly only supported with with the presumption that because it deflects thing really well at warp that it could do so effortlessly at sublight speeds.

It's not a no-limits fallacy, its simply observing the fact that you have not met yoru burden of proof.

All you claim is that "they're not lasers," which is a null-argument... or magical.

Um-- it DEFLECTS things? DERRRR.

Ah, now I think I know what type of person I am dealing with.

Yeah, a healthy skeptic-- unlike warsie fanwankers you may be used to, your bull won't fly here.

The Navigational deflector does in fact deflect things as you so eloquently put it, but you clearly do not understand its operation at all.
It's actually a multipurpose piece of equipment that does a variety of tasks and generates a variety of particles. It's pretty obvious that its 'deflection' is more effective when traveling at warp simply by virtue of ships not getting toasted by bits of space dust when at FTL and yet still somehow not being able to push things effortlessly out of the way when dealing with STL travel.

Ah, I get it-- it's a DOOHICKEY! And it does what you say it does, because you SAY so!
Based on pure unsupported claptrap, you're claiming that space-dust is tougher to push out the way than "things."
How perfectly... nonsensical.

Yeah let's see you NAME them, or else it's nothing but vague hearsay.

Hull impacts against the NX-01 with mines, which should have effortlessly been pushed out of the way by the deflector.

Nor may we forget several ramming incidents in the course of Deep Space Nine of ship on ship ramming. (The assertion that deflector dishes cancel each other out, as far as I'm aware, has not basis in cannon). These ships were clearly traveling at STL speeds.

An escape pod being able to ram the Enterprise D shields (which it shouldn't have been able to get anywhere near, and I'm reasonably sure it was using chemical rockets).

An errant untargeted, aimed, or even particularly fast moving torpedo just happens to hit a defiant class starship in a voyager episode.

Several space faring creatures latch onto ships through TNG and Voyager, all of which should have been effortlessly pushed away.

I said NAME them, not "describe the anecdotes."
I have yet to see a name.

Also, while not an impact perse: An obvious failing of the deflector dish is witnessed in TOS: The Paradise Syndrome, in which it fails to move an asteroid which wasn't all that big,

Not that big? Could you be a little-- um... LESS VAGUE?
It coul hahve been Earth-sized for all we know; there's no way to know how far the Enterprise was from it in comparison, or the aperture, magnification and distance of the lens etc.

and which should have been effortlessly pushed out of the way with the no limits fallacy you're trying to apply to it.

"No limits?" You're confusing gravitons and photons; if you think they're the same, try moving something with a flashight-beam.
I don't recall ANYONE saying that the Enterprise was capable of generating infinite power-- just more than the silly fusion-powerd 'Wars toy-boats with the huge A-R thrusters on back.

So it's clear that the deflector can not only function at sublight-speeds, but can put out more power than even the phasers or photon torpedoes.
MUCH more.
Likewise in "This Side of Paradise," we saw the Enterprise move a giant asteroid using a deflector-beam; however while they did move it, it simply wasn't enough.

First: It's clear that it is a tool that has many options.
Second: I never claimed it didn't work at sublight speeds, I claimed its deflection properties are clearly lessened and I contend that it has something to do with the warpfield (

You have NO proof of that; and the warpfield only surrounds the ship, it doesn't reach out ahead of it. You're grasping at straws, like most drowning men; the main deflector-beam is not generated by the engines, and vice-vera.

which, by the way, is what has allowed them to push moons etc before).

Yes, in the D-enterprise, with some help from Q telling them how to use the engines to change the gravitational constant of the Universe!
So you're saying the deflector requires Q's help as well as the engines?
ROTFMLAO!

I provided a quote from the BoBW1 text that the main deflector-mod was more powerful than anything their phasers or torpeoes could create, and it was fired out of warp.
Logically, the ship has more power to channel through the deflector when it's not powering the warp-engines. In fact, it's absurd to think that the ship would have more power while at warp, since obviously so much power is consumed in sustaining the warp-bubble.

I'm reasonably sure you're not bothering to even read what I type... or for that matter what you type.
First off: The ability of the deflector dish to be modified to channel all the ships power into a beam has absolutely nothing to do with its capabilities for pushing matter out of the way.

*SNARF*
Did you-- REALLY-- just say that?
OMG, I can't believe it.You claim that the ability of the MAN-- DEFLECTOR-- to DEFLECT things, has has absolutely nothing to do with the energy it can produce OTHER THAN to deflect things?
ROTLFMAO!
(POUND POUND POUND ON FLOOR)
YA HAHAHAHA!

You're arguing about things not even at the topic at hand.. and you continue to do so... I've tried to spell it out for you and you are clearly ignoring it.

Well I tried, but some got through- I'm STILL laughing!

Second: None of this disproves my assertion that it's obvious that the deflector dish is some how more powerful at moving things out of the way when the ship is traveling at warp.

Ok, here's a Christmas-clue for ya:
PROOF DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
See, others don't have to "disprove your contentions--" it's the OTHER WAY AROUND.
Yeah.
Mrerry Xmas.
No, I don't mind that you didn't get me anything, I kinda wouldn't have opened it anyway-- or even returned it, no offense.

Since the primary differences between a ship at warp and not at warp is the presence of a warp field and the speed it must be one of those two things affecting it. I contend the warpfield somehow allows a ship to better deal with objects in space through the navigational deflector. What is so hard to understand about it?

The lack of evidence and logic, but aside from that you're A-OK!

Also, again, you've entirely ignored my point about turbo lasers not being lasers. Which you know, was the only thing that I pointed out in the first place.

Because you've supplied no evidence, or how they'd harm a starship.

Not per unit of mass. Romulan ships use an artificial quantum singularity for their warp-drive, but Fed engines are superior to Romulan.

As for fed shields "stoppng lasers without limit," the fact is that lasers are more limited than fed shieds by their very nature, and so it's moot to ask how much laser-power is needed to bring down a fed shield; it's like asking how big a catapultyou'd need to take down an F-18.

All of which is irrelevant and doesn't contradict my point made in regards to them.

Because your point was POINTLESS.

If you're gonna present some evidence or address my original point about turbo lasers, fine... otherwise you're just repeating the same thing, none of which actually contradicts my point about the deflector being more powerful at warp speeds.

[/quote]
Again: PROOF DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
Open your present already!

[Trinoya]

I would like to see where you got the maximum out put for a federation ship. All I recall is numbers for when the ship is sitting in orbit, and Q is messing with stuff.

Normally I go with the power figures quoted on darkstars site actually, which is something like 5000 terajoules or some such per second. An impressive number, but not qutie as impressive as the sun.

Shields have to be powered, and activated, there Star Trek shields have limits.

Excellent, we can put that to rest then.

We are talking about a series where the ships dive in and out of black hole, create wormholes, and travel faster then light by warping space-time.. The UFP has mastered gravity pure and simple. Voyager was able to make a Gravitational singularity by bouncing gravitons off the main deflector dish, then there is was the gravimetric torpedo that was theorized to be to make wormhole, and all the talk of lasers being useless just proves what the UFP can do with gravity.

Oh, I don't question the impressiveness of these shields and their capability to tank quite a bit of firepower (including nearby exploding planets even). As I said: Lasers are nigh useless against said ships, but not infinitely so. I'm glad we have come to consensus and can move on.



As for Univeral Netguru... Your posts make me long for the days of Jason and I wish youngla was here.

But you didn't say what they are, so my original statement stands.

I need not declare what they are, that is true. I have simply declared what they are not. I'm sorry if that displeases you in some way.

It's not a no-limits fallacy, its simply observing the fact that you have not met yoru burden of proof.

All you claim is that "they're not lasers," which is a null-argument... or magical.

I am honestly starting to wonder if you're reading even what you're typing...

I didn't know I had to provide evidence of the fact that they don't act like lasers.. I presumed we all had an understanding of how a laser acts and an education above seventh grade. I'm not often asked to provide evidence for such an absurdly obvious thing but if I must...


http://www.nolettershome.info/images/CG ... idge03.jpg

As you can see, it does not look, act, nor function at all like a laser.

Yeah, a healthy skeptic-- unlike warsie fanwankers you may be used to, your bull won't fly here.

I was presuming a teenager with too much time on his hands. But sure, if you want to call it that we can. As far as my quote unquote bull.. that's laughable looking at your posts...

Ah, I get it-- it's a DOOHICKEY! And it does what you say it does, because you SAY so!
Based on pure unsupported claptrap, you're claiming that space-dust is tougher to push out the way than "things."
How perfectly... nonsensical.

Okay, now I'm mad.. you've hurt my feelings..


Look, it's clear you didn't understand. IF the deflector is capable of pushing rocks and space dust out of the way while the ship is traveling at warp speeds it should have exactly ZERO trouble moving magnetic mines, solar flares, and asteroids while at sublight speeds. It clearly is incapable of doing so. I provided evidence for you several posts back where these supposed powerful generation would have been useful.


Instead you've ignored the evidence and claimed I've not done anything of the sort. Lucky has actually been engaging in debate with me which is why I'm taking him seriously and you not at this point. Your out to prove the absurd, that a turbo laser simply can not hit the ship because of the navigational deflector, which you haven't provided any evidence for since you would first have to prove that a turbo laser can be effected by it. That burden of proof is upon YOU. I simply pointed out that we couldn't hold that claim on the basis of them being lasers, which they clearly aren't.

You have now moved into the realm of near insanity.

Also: Space dust, rocks, satellites, the whole nine yards.. being pushed out of the way while you're moving at the speed of light.. is a hell of a lot harder than pushing THIS.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Deflector_beam.jpg

I said NAME them, not "describe the anecdotes."
I have yet to see a name.

Oh for the love of, are you that incapable of doing any independent research. Here I'll name TWO of them for you right out.

ENT: Minefield

VOY: Message in a bottle

And in regards to the last one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9lv1pR ... re=related

Around 4 minutes.

The rest, if you had even bothered to watch star trek, you would remember since they are all from relatively famous episodes.

Not that big? Could you be a little-- um... LESS VAGUE?
It coul hahve been Earth-sized for all we know; there's no way to know how far the Enterprise was from it in comparison, or the aperture, magnification and distance of the lens etc.

I provided a picture for you up there... just judging by the beam width were talking a relatively small asteroid, unless you want to claim the enterprise is kilometers high and actually has an insane number of decks.

"No limits?" You're confusing gravitons and photons; if you think they're the same, try moving something with a flashight-beam.
I don't recall ANYONE saying that the Enterprise was capable of generating infinite power-- just more than the silly fusion-powerd 'Wars toy-boats with the huge A-R thrusters on back.

I confused nothing: You claimed straight up that the deflector magically had the power to deflect incoming turbo laser bolts and then the infamous laser quotes were brought out, which I then said THOSE were a no limits fallacy...

You have NO proof of that; and the warpfield only surrounds the ship, it doesn't reach out ahead of it.

I do actually: The warpfield HAS been extended beyond the ship and even combined with other warp fields. I believe I even mentioned the whole, "in order to push a moon with the deflector they needed to use the warp field."

But hey, lets just ignore that.

Yes, in the D-enterprise, with some help from Q telling them how to use the engines to change the gravitational constant of the Universe!
So you're saying the deflector requires Q's help as well as the engines?
ROTFMLAO!

No that sounds like a statement you just wrote. I never once mentioned Q. Really, try to keep up with what you're writing at least.

*SNARF*
Did you-- REALLY-- just say that?
OMG, I can't believe it.You claim that the ability of the MAN-- DEFLECTOR-- to DEFLECT things, has has absolutely nothing to do with the energy it can produce OTHER THAN to deflect things?
ROTLFMAO!
(POUND POUND POUND ON FLOOR)
YA HAHAHAHA!

Ah, so you HAVE proven you aren't reading or are incapable of understanding basic english. Got it. Oh look, over here is lucky, someone actually debating and not blowing smoke out of their mouth.

Since the rest of your post is you repeating stuff.. over and over again and simply more evidence you don't read what I or even what others have posted already... I'm gonna bid you farewell, as all you're doing is derailing the topic now and if you continued to act like this I would ask for a mod to intervene. I'm pretty sure I've been more than reasonable to you at this point.


To Youngla and JasonB: I take back all the mean things I ever said about you.


Back to Lucky:
I still haven't gotten your opinion on the idea that the warpfield can enhance the capability of the deflector. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the ML effect it generates, and it nicely explains away the STL stuff effortlessly.

In fact, I think this might be a good time to start a second thread on the subject.

[Lucky]

Normally I go with the power figures quoted on darkstars site actually, which is something like 5000 terajoules or some such per second. An impressive number, but not qutie as impressive as the sun.

http://st-v-sw.net/STSWgigaper.html
In "True Q"[TNG6]
, we hear the following exchange occur in Engineering:
Amanda: "It's hard to imagine how much energy is being harnessed in there."

Data : "Imagination is not necessary; the scale is readily quantifiable. We are presently generating 12.75 billion gigawatts per . . . "

"Revulsion"[VOY]:
Seven : "The optical assembly is properly aligned. I am ready to access the main power supply."

Kim : "After you." 
(The pair climb down, and Seven begins to reach into a conduit)

Kim : "Wait! What are you doing, there are five million gigawatts running through there!"
Seven : "The exoskeleton on this limb can withstand it."

"The Dauphin"[TNG]:
Data: "Sir, sensors indicate the communication originated from a terawatt source on the planet."

Riker: "That's more power than our entire ship can generate."
Data: "It is what is needed to penetrate the atmosphere."

Excellent, we can put that to rest then.

It is implied that as long as the ship is powered the navi-deflector is on.

Oh, I don't question the impressiveness of these shields and their capability to tank quite a bit of firepower (including nearby exploding planets even). As I said: Lasers are nigh useless against said ships, but not infinitely so. I'm glad we have come to consensus and can move on.

The problem is the only time a laser damaged the E-D was when the Borg used one after bringing down the shields with a different weapon.

A photon is a photon even if it is part of a weaponized laser beam.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

I don't see that at all.

Near the end when Federation starfighters are making strafing runs on dominion ships, that can't seem to hit fighters within point blank range of it. Oh, and for more examples go to the next part that's probably in the related videos section in the link.

On what evidence do you base that conclusion?
Logically, FTL ships with FTL weapons and deflectors can shoot through sublight-shield tech.

Maybe, if by "logically" you mean "using pointless schematics". Apparently, you expect shields to move at FTL speeds, even though shields aren't supposed to move around. Wow. My evidence? It's based on facts and logic, not on schematics. The Death Star was able to shrug off mountain chunks hitting it at supersonic/hypersonic speeds. In other words, it could easily take a barrage of K-T extinction level impacts and have almost no harm done to it.

Sorry if I'm being rude, but really? Of course shields are sub light speeds, because they don't move on a macro level! That's like saying that diamond isn't that hard because it doesn't move that fast...really?

Warp-driven ships can't distract what can't see them.
When a ship moves at warp, it's invisible without FTL sensors, and likewise it would be immune to turbolasers due to speed alone; but again, sublight-weapons can't possibly penetrate FTL-shield tech.

Star Wars does have FTL sensors, but thanks for admitting that the Federation reinforcements would actually do virtually no benefit to the Rebel Alliance, who would have won in OTL already.

[Praeothmin]

The Battle of Yavin? Their fastest turbolasers couldn't hit X-wing fighters.
And then there's the fact that lasers can't even cut through a starship's navigational deflectors...
Ok, hold it right there-- step away from that EU comic-book! :D

And when ahve we seen ST ships move as fast as the X-Wings were moving in RotJ?
The only ship ST has capable of doing this is the Defiant...

And TLs are not lasers, they don't act like lasers AT ALL... :)

[Praeothmin]

Full impulse is 0.8c.

Effective range of heavy turbolasers is 6 000 km at most. Federation starship will need only 0.05 seconds to zoom from one side of ISD's weapons range to another at full impulse. Then again, full impulse is rarely to never used in sublight combat (at least during TNG+ era) but that was not point.

Please show me, in a movie or a ST serie, where they were going, while in battle, at 0.8c...

[Who is like God arbour]

The fastest ship in Star Wars has, at sublight speeds, a maximum upper limit value for straight-line acceleration of about 210 m/s², or about 21.5g. She can reverse her engines for a rearward acceleration of about 90 m/s², or about 9.2g.

Pretty impressive for a ship described in chapter ten of the TESB novelisation as having ion engines.

However, compared to Star Trek vessels, this is quite poor acceleration indeed. Compare this to, for instance, the refit Enterprise in ST:TMP, which went from Earth to Jupiter in 1.8 hours. The distance from Earth to Jupiter is quite variable over their respective orbits, but I decided to try narrowing it down a bit. According to the excellent space simulation program Celestia, the example date of July 4, 2271 gives us a distance of 4.773 AU from Earth to Jupiter, or over 714,000,000 kilometers (about .66 light-hours). That's an average speed of 110,191,481.5m/s. Assuming a constant acceleration over those 1.8 hours (and thus the lowest possible acceleration value), the ship would have had to reach a final speed of 220,382,963 m/s (0.73512c), assuming a start from zero. That would be, then, a constant acceleration of just over 34,000 m/s², or over 3,460g. That is 161 times the Falcon's demonstrated plasma-flinging "afterburn" acceleration.

refitted Enterprise:

• average speed from Earth to Jupiter: 110.191.481,5 km/h.
• minimum acceleration from Earth to Jupiter: 34.000 m/s² or over 3.460 g

That's faster than any Star Wars fighter or ship seen in the movies.