I challenge darkstar to a debate

[Picard]

He is being harassed. If that is not harassing, I don't know what is. But it isn't like I pity him - he ignores evidence as modus operandi, lies, warps facts, etc, etc; fact which Breetai's last post outlined pretty well. But these 2 posts Breetai made before that one... well.

[Admiral Breetai]

[Breetai, STOP IT!
I'm fucking tired of this!
Stop antagonizing him, you're giving him all the reasons in the world to rightly claim he is being harassed...

see I would of stopped this the system was working he got what he deserved, but then JMS went and did what he did and it became clear to me that we're never going to be rid of him..so in this case I'm not left with many other options but to start employing more channish methodologies

now I posted many posts in many threads detailing exactly what this guy got wrong...hell I just proved he lied again in the alliance thread in the fanfiction section..so much for that as nothing was done with it no warnings where issued

so don't sit there and demand me play nice with a guy who's clearly only here to rack up some kinda trophy hut and run back to wong "see masta I dun beats dem silly'uns overs on teh jedi boaird sirs!! can I has acceptance?" and not actually contribute anything or debate when clearly nothing is again being done when I'm constantly ignored by him and you guys as well..theres no much left for me to do now is there?

It is impossible to prove ANYTHING beyond shadow of IRRATIONAL doubt. But we have already logged this thread with too much garbage, it is supposed to be between SWST and G2K, so I'm afraid that JMS will have to do little "thread cleansing" again.

DS declared the debate over and it is regardless of who you feel won or lost.

he even said this thread was fair game so..have fun

[Praeothmin]

Breetai, if no one had harped on the guy, and then repeated evidence, or simply pointed to threads where it was, when replying to him, then it would have been easy for us to say "look, you ignored evidence posted 20 times, as seen here and here, and evidence requests from people who are all polite to you!"
Then he would've been the only one who had done anything questionable, and we could have warned him (and possibly banned him) accordingly...
But how can we warn him for being impolite, or ignoring posters when a lot of posts are just harping on his case?

As we explained, the dishonesty rule is more grey than black and white, and so is harder to enforce than the politeness one...

Had no one harassed SWST, my ban might have even stuck, since he would have been the only one in the wrong...
Now?
With half the board's members at his throat, I understand JMS giving the guy a break...
I don't agree, but I understand...

he even said this thread was fair game so..have fun

Yup, everyone can now post here, as DS's comment states...

[Admiral Breetai]

so little had been done leading up to that point..and so insane was the over turning..can you honestly blame members for saying "screw it"

[Mr. Oragahn]

Well then post those links and that will be enough. Look, I did it in the Death Star thread, and I'm still waiting.
If it's all that needs to be done, giving links. Let's be clear. I won't do more than give links. I'm not going to repeat anything or explain why the link I give answers all the questions or debunks his claims. The posts are fairly short, especially in light of the time that's been wasted by someone denying so much.
Deal?

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Mr O, you must understand that my time is limited. It takes me over an hour to respond to just Picard's post in our debate; which moreso refutes Mike's factually wrong claim without evidence that I devote hours of my time to connect elaborate trolling schemes, which would have made me the most complex and amazing troll ever.

I will respond to your links, but stop pestering me.

[2046]

2. However, the arc on Yavin in which the Rebel base and the death star are positioned against, and their relative position relative to the angle of the gas giant (and thus how long it is before the Death Star is within firing range) is the entire purpose of the existence of that tactical display.

Thank you for mind-reading the unnamed characters who designed the Rebel diagram.

The purpose of any such tabletop situation display is to provide a sense of the situation. It doesn't have to be terribly accurate, and we know in this case it wasn't by comparison to exterior visuals and even the display of their opponents which agrees more with the visuals.

The folks who needed to know things with precision (the technicians and radio operators and other strategists at the Rebel base) were not using that display for anything. They couldn't even see it. This should, perhaps, be telling.

When the Death Star is encountered in ANH for the first time, in an epic scene, it goes from being a few pixels wide to taking up much of the screen in a few minutes.

How does the Falcon going some unspecified value of what you consider "fast" prove jack about the Death Star?

Or when the Falcon is escaping the Death Star in ROTJ, it flies out and joins the Rebel fleet that is only a tiny blip in a matter of seconds.

This doesn't even correspond to the film. Now you're just making stuff up.

When there are large sections of unopposed space, Star Wars ships can move very, very fast.

Faster than light, even. It's called hyperspace.

For one, it supports the 64 km/s^2 figure for the Death Star, which translates to 2e29 joules of energy per second, give or take a few {...}. This scales down to e23 joules per second for an ISD, and it's through G canon!

You haven't proved anything . . . indeed, your argument above is simply a giant non-sequitur.

"The fact that you have argued it supports the 500000000000 ly/s^2 acceleration for the NX-01 shuttlepods, which translates to 2134234562573245613451234 GoogleJoules of energy per second, give or take a few {...}. This scales down to e96 joules per second for a phase pistol, and it's through canon!"

See how easy it is to replicate your arguments?

[Picard]

See how easy it is to replicate your arguments?

Not to mention that they are wrong. Death Star does not seem to have thrusters, and that whole hyperspace-thingy it is built around might also (depending on physics of hyperspace, that is) be used in a manner similar to Star Trek subspace and mass lightening fields. Death Star is one big unknown, but everything says that it is not example of standard Star Wars tech.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

The purpose of any such tabletop situation display is to provide a sense of the situation. It doesn't have to be terribly accurate, and we know in this case it wasn't by comparison to exterior visuals and even the display of their opponents which agrees more with the visuals.

You're ridiculous. By that logic, a map for sale could list route 66 as the same length as the highway a few miles from here, and it's ok because "it doesn't have to be terribly accurate".

I guess that when the Rebel tactical display shows the DS on the exact opposite side of Yavin, the DS was really just 9 degrees away, and the inventors of the scale decided to intentionally screw with the positioning for the fun with it, so as to give the Rebel leaders who are in the fight of their lives a false sense of security for no apparent reason.

You see, our arguments are in orders of magnitude here; most fan calcs are that way. In order to prove me wrong, you'd have to prove that the Rebel tactical display was off in its positioning by several orders of magnitude, even when a modern day, mass produced GPS can track exact locations to low margin of errors.

And the exact positioning of the DS (which is ridiculously easy to translate onto a simple visual display, even by 20th century standards) IS very important for the Rebel fighter squadrons being dispatched to engage the DS. "General positioning" my ass, by your logic the positioning display was several orders of magnitude off and was therefore completely useless and even a liability.

[Mr. Oragahn]

See how easy it is to replicate your arguments?

Not to mention that they are wrong. Death Star does not seem to have thrusters, and that whole hyperspace-thingy it is built around might also (depending on physics of hyperspace, that is) be used in a manner similar to Star Trek subspace and mass lightening fields. Death Star is one big unknown, but everything says that it is not example of standard Star Wars tech.

The Death Star does have ion thrusters. It's evidence present in several EU sources.

[Picard]

EU =/= canon

As far as I'm concerned, if its EU, it doesn't exist.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

EU =/= canon

As far as I'm concerned, if its EU, it doesn't exist.

Too bad for you then. You claimed that Dankayo was non-canon but fit with established canon, and later changed your mind and said that it contradicted canon. You then attempt to dismiss it on these ground, even though you're the one to bring it up. It's still silly that you cannot admit that you're backtracking.

[Admiral Breetai]

LOL at SWST lecturing some one on backtracking

[Praeothmin]

LOL at SWST lecturing some one on backtracking

Well, it is true though, Picard does appear to be backtracking...

[Admiral Breetai]

LOL at SWST lecturing some one on backtracking

Well, it is true though, Picard does appear to be backtracking...

yes it is..its just really amusing his high horse tone