Jedi vs. Predator

[Mike DiCenso]

I've been listening to the commentaries, and there is no such reference to Chewie being a runt. I looked through all the scenes and there is little, if anything. to indicate that Chewie is signficantly smaller than the other wookies.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

I've been listening to the commentaries, and there is no such reference to Chewie being a runt. I looked through all the scenes and there is little, if anything. to indicate that Chewie is signficantly smaller than the other wookies.
-Mike

I totally second that. I've spotted a Wookiee who obviously drunk a bit too much booze, but aside from this case, they're similar. Even that leader on the beach is not noticeably bulkier, aside from his longer hairs and armour plates.

Some seem slightly fatter, but the difference is like comparing a normal man to one who's underwent natural physical training for one year. You can see more muscles, but the strength is not completely over the top for the second.

As for the claws, the EU does have the Wookiees capable of climbing tress with prehensile claws.

Even parts of the EU would disagree that a strong and violent Wookiee could dismember a soldier with his claws:

Tojjevvuk, the albino Wookiee.

They don't appear sharp and long enough to sever arms in one sweep.

In Zahn's trilogy, Chewie carried Leia on his back while climbing trees, when trying to evade Noghri brigades.

Ripping arms off requires enormous strength, if only to break bone articulations and, above all, the muscular tissues.

This may have happened, but I'd like to know under which conditions, and the movies do not indicate anything like that.

[Praeothmin]

In the EU, fully-sized wookiees have literally torn the post-RotS clone troopers apart limb from limb with their bare hands.

Do you have the quotes?

Chewbacca, as well, is a not a fully-sized wookiee, and is considered to be a runt. Using him as a benchmark for wookiee strength isn't entirely fair.

Except that, in the novel Vector Prime by R.A. Salvatore, he is described as being very strong (though his strength feats are, again, nowhere near those of Predators).
And in RotS, he is not the smallest of the Wookiees, in fact being one of the tallest, if memory serves (I will rewatch the DVD tonight).

[Praeothmin]

In the EU, fully-sized wookiees have literally torn the post-RotS clone troopers apart limb from limb with their bare hands.

Do you have the quotes?

Chewbacca, as well, is a not a fully-sized wookiee, and is considered to be a runt. Using him as a benchmark for wookiee strength isn't entirely fair.

Except that, in the novel Vector Prime by R.A. Salvatore, he is described as being very strong (though his strength feats are, again, nowhere near those of Predators).
And in RotS, he is not the smallest of the Wookiees, in fact being one of the tallest, if memory serves (I will rewatch the DVD tonight).

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

This is a link to another forum where a similar discussion is taking place, thought it might interest you.

http://www.suicidepose.com/suicide-nati ... opic=648.0

[Praeothmin]

What I've noticed in the link you provided, Airlocke_Jedi_Knight, is that you stacked the deck in favor if the Jedi.
You chose the Jedi that have been wanked the most in the EU, and gave them insight they would never have.
It seems like you often ignore movie showings for anything SW because it doesn't help the Jedi.

And you don't seem to have that much knowledge as far as Preds and Aliens are concerned (this is not meant as an insult, btw, simply an observation).

As I have stated in my first post, unless we are talking about high-end Jedi (like the ones you put in your scenario), the Preds take this one 8 out of 10 times.
Against high-end Jedi?
Jedi takes this 6 out of 10 times, only due to Lightsabres.

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

I felt compelled to put up crazy good Jedi(though not all were) because of the overwhelming numbers of the Xenomorphs and the fact that the hish would be crazy hard asses beyond what we saw in the movies. I tried my best to make it a fair fight. Also, I only included abilities that were shown in the EU, because, personally, I like it much better and if it does not directly contradict the movies, then it is part of continuity, with the movies having only a little more pull.

Another thing I often like to point out, is that the Jedi rarely use the Force in the movies, especially the high end Jedi. I don't think Mace Windu is ever shown to use a Force technique and Yoda only does so to directly counter another's Force technique. We don't really see what the Jedi are capable of, mainly because of Lucas' distaste of Super Hero-like Jedi. He creates them, hinting at their power, but doesn't attribute them with great power because they would solve the problems in his movies too easily. This reluctance is why the EU has vaunted the Jedi's powers so much, no one knows their true potential, because Lucas has been very stubborn.


Interesting idea, how about a Sith versus a Predator?

[Who is like God arbour]

Another thing I often like to point out, is that the Jedi rarely use the Force in the movies, especially the high end Jedi. I don't think Mace Windu is ever shown to use a Force technique and Yoda only does so to directly counter another's Force technique. We don't really see what the Jedi are capable of, mainly because of Lucas' distaste of Super Hero-like Jedi. He creates them, hinting at their power, but doesn't attribute them with great power because they would solve the problems in his movies too easily. This reluctance is why the EU has vaunted the Jedi's powers so much, no one knows their true potential, because Lucas has been very stubborn.

That's an out-of-universe explanation.

But to make sense, you have now to find an in-universe explanation.

If the Jedis (and Sith) have the powers described in the EU, why haven't they used them in the movies in situations, in which it would be only naturally to use them if they would have that power?

Either there is a plausible in-universe explanation or they don't have the powers described in the EU.

[Praeothmin]

Also, I only included abilities that were shown in the EU, because, personally, I like it much better and if it does not directly contradict the movies, then it is part of continuity, with the movies having only a little more pull.

If the original post had specified "EU only", then I think this approach would have been good, except it didn't (if I recall).
Just because you don't like the movies that much, or less then the EU, it doesn't make the movies any less canon, or the EU any more valid.

Facts are, the Jedi, according to the movies and the Clone Wars animated series, are impressive, but not in any way Godlike.

Also, in the thread you linked, you keep saying that the Commandos are like Stortroopers as they are in the EU (in other words, as you want them to be).
The problem is, the movies definitely show them as being fanaticaly loyal, but sh***y as hell as far as aiming goes.
And the standard excuse that they're only bad shots against Important characters is false, because we see them have bad aim against the Tantive IV guards, the Ewoks, the Rebels at Hoth...

And WILGA pointed out already that your reasons for not liking the movies are external reasons, and while they may be valid, they're simply not applicable to the movies themselves.
Either an an "in-world" explanation should be found, or the movie showings trump all other showings for Jedi powers.