Avatar technical analysis
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:34 pm
I've noticed a large number of threads on SB.com talking about Avatar, and also some confusion and uncertainty, so let's take a few minutes to get this right. First: The Navi themselves.
I'll start by introducing a basic problem. I'll call it the Goliath problem. Let's say I take a simple human David, and I magnify him by a factor of two with a zoom lense in order to produce Goliath. How much stronger does Goliath have to be than David?
Well, Goliath is eight times the mass, but if I have Goliath jumping and running and swimming and climbing, he's also accelerating twice as fast, jumping twice as high, and climbing twice as fast - because his motions have been scaled up without slowing them down. So his muscles need to supply sixteen times the force. And if Goliath throws a spear or shoots an arrow, he's exerting twice the force over twice the distance for thirty two times the energy. We're talking about kilojoules. If it has a nice point, it will have penetration characteristics comparable to a rifle round.
His muscles need to exert four times the amount of force per unit area, too, indicating a radically different biology, and his bones are similarly getting four times the stresses and strains per unit area. The fact that Navi bones are reinforced with carbon fiber makes perfect sense. They need to be super-strong.
Now, the Navi aren't quite twice as tall - more like 1.7 times as tall. The quoted figure is ten feet. They're not twice as thick, either. Eyeballing it, Navi are probably 3-4 times the volume of a human soldier. If anything, though, they move more than twice as quickly than a typical human on Pandora - meaning that if they have the same overall density, they should be 6-8 times as strong as a fairly athletic human based on how they move, provided Pandora's gravity is only a little less than Earth's.
Pandora is lower gravity. Four times the strength of a human is possible, but pretty close to the lowest possible bound, if we put Pandora's gravity at somewhere around half Earth's. More realistically, Navi need muscles with a much higher performance of force per unit of cross sectional area than humans have. We don't see humans bounding much, so we shouldn't assume Pandora's gravity is much lower than Earth without good reason (the unofficial wiki says 0.8 times Earth gravity; I don't know if that has any official backing in some guide or not, but it seems plausible).
How well the Navi can act in a standard gravity field is going to depend on Pandora's gravity. 8 m/s^2 would mean that it's like jumping around with a human-sized weight on their back, which I doubt would slow them much; 5 m/s^2 would mean it's like having an extra Navi strapped to them, which would cripple their ability to move around quickly.
Elementals are 8-9 feet tall. Space Marines are 7-8 feet tall. Normal humans are generally 5-6 feet tall, but both of these super-engineered humans look like scaled up humans (more or less) in form. An Elemental might actually outmass a Navi, and might have comparable strength, but has less reach and less speed. A Space Marine is at a serious reach disadvantage, and possibly a speed disadvantage, depending on the wildly varying interpretations of Space Marines (the ones seen here, which some SB.com residents seem to think are going very fast, are quite clearly sub-Navi speed).
On the flip side, Navi don't have quite the same superhuman resistance to physical trauma as those two heavily modified human variants. They don't have particularly high technology levels, but their ability to interface with Pandoran wildlife makes them very natural cavalry. They're not just metaphorically in tune with nature and of one mind with their mounts; they have a biological ethernet jack and a good network protocol.
I'll start by introducing a basic problem. I'll call it the Goliath problem. Let's say I take a simple human David, and I magnify him by a factor of two with a zoom lense in order to produce Goliath. How much stronger does Goliath have to be than David?
Well, Goliath is eight times the mass, but if I have Goliath jumping and running and swimming and climbing, he's also accelerating twice as fast, jumping twice as high, and climbing twice as fast - because his motions have been scaled up without slowing them down. So his muscles need to supply sixteen times the force. And if Goliath throws a spear or shoots an arrow, he's exerting twice the force over twice the distance for thirty two times the energy. We're talking about kilojoules. If it has a nice point, it will have penetration characteristics comparable to a rifle round.
His muscles need to exert four times the amount of force per unit area, too, indicating a radically different biology, and his bones are similarly getting four times the stresses and strains per unit area. The fact that Navi bones are reinforced with carbon fiber makes perfect sense. They need to be super-strong.
Now, the Navi aren't quite twice as tall - more like 1.7 times as tall. The quoted figure is ten feet. They're not twice as thick, either. Eyeballing it, Navi are probably 3-4 times the volume of a human soldier. If anything, though, they move more than twice as quickly than a typical human on Pandora - meaning that if they have the same overall density, they should be 6-8 times as strong as a fairly athletic human based on how they move, provided Pandora's gravity is only a little less than Earth's.
Pandora is lower gravity. Four times the strength of a human is possible, but pretty close to the lowest possible bound, if we put Pandora's gravity at somewhere around half Earth's. More realistically, Navi need muscles with a much higher performance of force per unit of cross sectional area than humans have. We don't see humans bounding much, so we shouldn't assume Pandora's gravity is much lower than Earth without good reason (the unofficial wiki says 0.8 times Earth gravity; I don't know if that has any official backing in some guide or not, but it seems plausible).
How well the Navi can act in a standard gravity field is going to depend on Pandora's gravity. 8 m/s^2 would mean that it's like jumping around with a human-sized weight on their back, which I doubt would slow them much; 5 m/s^2 would mean it's like having an extra Navi strapped to them, which would cripple their ability to move around quickly.
Elementals are 8-9 feet tall. Space Marines are 7-8 feet tall. Normal humans are generally 5-6 feet tall, but both of these super-engineered humans look like scaled up humans (more or less) in form. An Elemental might actually outmass a Navi, and might have comparable strength, but has less reach and less speed. A Space Marine is at a serious reach disadvantage, and possibly a speed disadvantage, depending on the wildly varying interpretations of Space Marines (the ones seen here, which some SB.com residents seem to think are going very fast, are quite clearly sub-Navi speed).
On the flip side, Navi don't have quite the same superhuman resistance to physical trauma as those two heavily modified human variants. They don't have particularly high technology levels, but their ability to interface with Pandoran wildlife makes them very natural cavalry. They're not just metaphorically in tune with nature and of one mind with their mounts; they have a biological ethernet jack and a good network protocol.