Starfleet Jedi

Here's the scenario, the machines from the Matrix somehow get transplanted on Skynet controlled earth. Because? Uh, well, let's say Q wanted something interesting to see so he snapped his fingers to make it so.

In other words, everything belonging to the Matrix machines, including the city of 01 and the human fields gets teleported (and for fairness sake, everything from the Animatrix). Similarly, SkyNet still has everything it used to have at its disposal.

The two sides end up at war with each other, and they'll stop only when the other side is completly destroyed. The humans are considered completly pacified, this goes for both sides.

Everything that bears the 'official' stamp is considered canon, this goes for both franchises.

Which side is more likely to win this conflict? The matrix machines or SkyNet?

Well, physically speaking, I think Skynet has more long range weapons (laser guns), but the Matrix machines do have the EMP bombs.
Though call...
I'd go with the Matric machines.
They have the numbers, they have the speed, and most of all, while an EMP pulse would cripple the human bases, it didn't stop them, while it would definitly stop the Terminators and flyers dead in their tracks...

Plus, the Matrix machines seem more powerful in software, with the Agents representing the Anti-Virus software.
A self-replicating, auto-regenerating anti-virus software.

Imagine Ah-nuld's Terminator in the Matrix though... :)

Skynet uses it's remaining nukes to glass the human battery fields and the machines die.

Cpl Kendall wrote:Skynet uses it's remaining nukes to glass the human battery fields and the machines die.

They'd have to fly under the layer of dark stuff they spread into the atmosphere.
Which makes them easier to intercept than if they came from space, and Skynet has hardly shown the will to reach space despite being a machine able to produce more machines, and besides being able to travel in time.

Kind of a nutty question, but can the time travel in the Terminator universe go forward? I know I saw it used to go forward in the TV show, but I don't think it's ever used that way in the movies.
If we assume that it is possible for Skynet to send it's agents into the future, and we assume that Skynet maintains control of the Earth in the future, AND we assume that Skynet is still capable of backward time travel in the future, what's to stop Skynet from sending itself near-infinite amounts of reinforcements from the future, and reinforcements with technology far superior to the tech it has access to in the near-future we always see it in? Considering how advanced the T-1000 was in comparison to the T-800, I think it's safe to assume that Skynet will continue to evolve it's tech at least until the human threat is completely eradicated. What's to stop them sending an army of T-9000s back to help out?

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
They'd have to fly under the layer of dark stuff they spread into the atmosphere.
Which makes them easier to intercept than if they came from space, and Skynet has hardly shown the will to reach space despite being a machine able to produce more machines, and besides being able to travel in time.

No, it just uses ICBM's.

Nuke the battery fields? Why? The matrix machines are on SkyNet earth now, which means they can go back to their primary power-supply, solar power. And besides that they had other power-sources, amply demonstrated by waging a world-wide war after they got cut-off from the sun and before they started using CoE violating human batteries.

Besides, I doubt SkyNet even has nukes left, they would've been pretty handy fighting the human resistance, no?

As for nuking 01 itself?



Probably won't do you much good.

l33telboi wrote:Nuke the battery fields? Why? The matrix machines are on SkyNet earth now, which means they can go back to their primary power-supply, solar power.

And of course the solar power is available instantly, the infrastructure would have to be built. A strike on the battery fields allows Skynet to have an instant advantage until the machines can construct new panels.

And besides that they had other power-sources, amply demonstrated by waging a world-wide war after they got cut-off from the sun and before they started using CoE violating human batteries.

And of course those are available as well right. Depsite having a readily available and cheap source o power in the humans.

Besides, I doubt SkyNet even has nukes left, they would've been pretty handy fighting the human resistance, no?

You can't nuke what you can't find.

As for nuking 01 itself?



Probably won't do you much good.

Who said anything about nuking 0.1?

Cpl Kendall wrote:And of course the solar power is available instantly, the infrastructure would have to be built. A strike on the battery fields allows Skynet to have an instant advantage until the machines can construct new panels.

They have backup power for emergency cases, demonstrated amptly with them being able to wage a war without both human batteries and solar power.

Building the infra-structure might take some time, but I doubt we're talking too much time for them to be able to cope. I mean, they were able to first fight a global war, then study the humans in-detail, learning how to get them to give energy, all before running into any problems with power production.

And of course those are available as well right. Depsite having a readily available and cheap source o power in the humans.

Yes, they even had it before they had batteries. And if you recall the end of the last matrix movie, the architecht agrees to let those humans go, who want to. In other words, they were ready to cut down on power from the battery fields.

You can't nuke what you can't find.

In other words, there's no evidence that SkyNet even has nukes?

Who said anything about nuking 0.1?

Where else would you pour your nukes?

Matrix machines would just use other reactors. Their robots are independant, packing their own reactors or at least, energy buffers filled up to the chin before launch, and can fire sort of particle beams, or lasers.
I don't see any nuclear attack damning the 01 machines any soon.

It mainly comes down to who has the better machines.

01 seems to be able to swarm their enemy in no time, but Skynet has a fine range of weapons varying from missiles to gatlings to plasma guns, all deadly and sturdy.

That said, Praeth's had good points. 01 has better AIs and is quite resistant to EMP (though the squids are not shielded, but at least the main structures remain functional).

I don't see the 01 machines more efficient at war, but they have key advantages which balance out the weaknesses.
Now, does 01 have EMP guns? If they don't, and if they don't infiltrate Skynet's own matrix, Skynet has the military power to crush 01.

What's the caliber of the twin gatlings used by the pseudo mechs in Zion?
These turned 01 squids into mince meat.

Mr. Oraghan wrote:What's the caliber of the twin gatlings used by the pseudo mechs in Zion?
These turned 01 squids into mince meat.

I don't know the caliber of these guns, perhaps a military expert (Kendall, that's for you ) could tell us, but all I know is we could use each of those bullets to do some endurance weight training... ;)

They reminded me of the nice gun from the A-10 chin cannon...

There were some good shots of the ammo in the third movie, memory says somewhere between 12.7mm and 20mm, but I could be wrong about that, haven't seen the movie in a while. Of course the movie also did that same old mistake almost all movies do, the muzzles on those things were gigantic compared to the ammo they used. Could be a bit missleading.

Knowing the diameter of the slugs isn't all though, you'd still need to know length (or alternatively weight) and muzzle velocity to get anything meaningful out of the whole ordeal. But I suppose a lower limit can be assumed by comparing to modern weapons with similar caliber.

I think you probably could get a rough muzzle-velocity from the movies too, they seemed to make extensive use of tracers, which could be roughly measurable.

Praeothmin wrote:
I don't know the caliber of these guns, perhaps a military expert (Kendall, that's for you ) could tell us, but all I know is we could use each of those bullets to do some endurance weight training... ;)

They reminded me of the nice gun from the A-10 chin cannon...

Going by (my hazy) memory of a pic of them, the muzzle looked about 20mm but the rounds were considerably smaller. Perhaps if someone could post one we could take a look.

l33t has some good points in looking at the muzzle velocity and weight of the rounds. Figuring out the velocity from the tracers is a good start, if we can figure out the ranges involved.

A rough guesstimate can be made by looking at a modern equivilant. For all I know, they could be coilguns.

Cpl Kendall wrote:A rough guesstimate can be made by looking at a modern equivilant. For all I know, they could be coilguns.

Nah, they had muzzle-flashes, bangs and ejecting casings. Nothing to hint at gauss weaponry.

l33telboi wrote:
Nah, they had muzzle-flashes, bangs and ejecting casings. Nothing to hint at gauss weaponry.

Well the first two are present for coilguns/railguns though obviously the third isn't. Maybe their bolters *snicker*. I'm hunting for a pic, though my time is limited today so don't expect much.