Starfleet Jedi

We get a report that alians will attack Earth in 10 years , you have the resorces of the world and the solar system. you don't know how powerful their ships are so you just do the best you can. how do you defind the Earth.

I get laid as much as possible for the entirety of that ten years because in all likelihood they have orbital continent-cracker technologies and we couldn't possibly match that in ten years. Hell, given the current economy, we'd likely be better off just facing the buggers now.

Start retrofitting ICBM's as anti-orbital nukes, and cranking out as many new ones as we can.

And arm the hell out of the general populace, train as many people as possible as best as possible and stockpile the hell out of everything.

Because either we stop them during their initial orbital entry, or we hunker down for a very long, very hard guerrilla war and hope that our adversaries value their own lives and ours enough to just leave after we become enough of a nuisance instead of just hanging around or slagging the planet when they go.

Step 1: Attempt to contact the aliens and negotiate a peace or a surrender that allows me to still rule earth under their guidance.

Step 2: Failing this create an array of space based weapons and space based nuclear mines. Begin building shelters for people and underground bases to preserve human life. Begin building a project called ARK. Arks will be underwater vessels that can carry out military operations, mine for food and resources from the ocean, and stay operational for centuries (with regular repairs from their crews). Prepare fail safe ‘scorch earth project.’ Develop a ‘stasis’ program that will keep survivors on one ark in suspended animation.

Step 3: Attempt to engage the hostile aliens in orbit with orbital weapons and mines. Attempt a war of massive attrition with the ultimate hope being to capture some technology so that man may have a chance to take the war to space fully. Should this fail the remaining space based weapons will be deactivated and a surrender message will be sent. The people on the surface of the earth are left to their fates as the arks go fully operational and the underground facilities close their doors and bury them.

Step 4: Using arks in conjunction with land based facilities attempt to carry out covert operations to steal technology. Should all hope of defeating the aliens vanish the arks will attempt to wait them out.

Step 5: After several decades of waiting the remaining arks will congregate at a specific location and pull resources together. They will then institute a scorch earth program that will release the worst contagions, chemical warfare, and massive nuclear and neutron based weaponry upon the planet. The weapons in space should have gone unnoticed after they were turned off and they will turn and fire upon the earth… only stopping when they can no longer work. One ark after supplying up for the long haul will hide in a deep ocean trench (but a stable one) and place its crew in some form of suspended animation. They will come out when robots (launched every ten years from the vessel) can confirm that the aliens are gone… or when they are rescued by the other arks. This vessel serves as the last best hope for man and is supposed to essentially ‘hibernate’ until the threat is over, gone, and not coming back.

Step 6: Regardless of how humans, ‘return’ to the earth strict policies will be placed upon communication to prevent the aliens from knowing we are back until such time as we can potentially defeat them in battle. Humans will attempt to rebuild earth as best they can… focusing on the region of the world that can best support life first. The arks will continue to function in the event of return, although they will be upgraded as needed.

Step 7: If all should fail, pray something else saves our asses.

Primary goal: To have a minimum of 1,000 humans survive of different backgrounds so that the gene pool will function normally and they will be diversified enough to survive.

ARKS: The arks are self contained cities. They operate underwater but can surface to launch aircraft, space craft, satellites, and other boats. They carry enough plant and animal life to sustain their populations but are capable of mining for resources and obtaining food from the ocean floor. The vast majority of its resources are mostly spent on maintaining the craft, as any failure on its systems could result in the deaths of thousands. An ark should hold 10,000 people and the support facilities for them… as well as a small nuclear arsenal. Arks do not have any wireless communication and must manually dock with other arks to talk with them, as well as utilize underwater cables to communicate with land based facilities… hopefully this will reduce the chances of them being found.

Well first off,do we atleast know why the aliens are coming? Enslave humanity, steal or resources or prevent a possible threat from emerging?

Anyway my last ditch plan to save humanity would be as follows.

1.Resurect America's old Orion project to create the closet thing we could to "warships". They'll be the tip of the spear in engaging the alien Slags as far from Earth as possible. Main weapons will be nuclear missile, fired in mass since it's going to be one shot one kill from the aliens at best. If technolagy permits the nukes can be propelled by coilgun/railgun which should send them at a higher velocity then we could achive with a chemical rocket.

2.Put as many orbital satilites with nuclear missiles as possible around Earth. As was with the warships the satilites will attempt to swarm the alien ships with nuclear ordance.

3.Reconfigure all the world's stockpile of ICBMs into anti-orbtial missiles. we won't build new ones, we'll be too busy cranking out stages 1 and 2. This will be a last hope stike after the aliens have pushed past defenses 1 and 2. Odds are if the previous two didn't stop them this one won't but we might get lucky.

4. Plantary wide conscription, massive training programs, etc. Goal would be to turn as much of the population as possible into armed and trained soldiers. Emphises will be on infantry and hit and run tatics since likely orbital strikes will demolish our infanstructer fairly quickly.

5.An Ark shall be constructed. An Orion propsonal craft designed to carry a rement of humanity out system. This is a failsafe to ensure humanity has a chance. It will carry as many as reasonably possible towards the nearest star system capable of supporting life, but didn't produce the aliens trying to kill us. The ship will leave before the aliens arrive and will not return to Earth no matter what. The trip is one way, all contact will be severed once they leave orbit. All records of the flight shall be destroyed on Earth to hinder any effort to find them.In part to that the Ark shall be kept a secret, only those involved will know of the ship. The members of the general populace won't know of it until they are put on board after being chosen by some method. If were lucky the aliens will never know of the Ark and will be content with Earth allowing the decendents of the Ark to one day return and reclaim thier homeworld.

6. Judgment day. This will be employed after all hope is lost and we have no option but to deny the aliens thier prize. The resurection of the old Pluto project should surfice. These automated bombers can operate for long periods of time once activated and their mere presence would pollute the planet,this combined with thier WMD payload and thier program to simply circle the globe,they will be launched from multipal hangers hidden as best we could,should reduce Earth to a radioactive hell hole.

These are very engineering intensive plans, involving tech which is at best unproven. can they really be pulled off in 10 years?

you would be suprised what humans can do if they realty need to. a friend ask me how i would do it and i gave him some spects for a few warships i had been working on. they worked by useing Orion drives in conjuntion with magsails. they carried any where from 4 to over 500 nukes 150MT each plus smaler 1 MT missiles. the missiles used magsails to reach 20% c. the ships are between 50-750m long.

Flectarn wrote:These are very engineering intensive plans, involving tech which is at best unproven. can they really be pulled off in 10 years

On paper atleast an orion propulsion craft could have been built in the 1950's. With morden technolagy and a pressing need I think we could cobble something togather.

Project pluto,aka the nuclear scramjet, had an engine built and tested if I remember correct something in the late 50's proving the technolagy works. It just lacks a purpuse on any battlefield you want to use afterwards for the next few thousand years.

As for railguns, the US military plans on having a destroyer with them by 2020,with a little luck of course, so I don't think it's a leap to include them on any proposed warship.

So yes I believe,if the need was great enough, that we could pull it off in ten years.

General Mayhem wrote:you would be suprised what humans can do if they realty need to. a friend ask me how i would do it and i gave him some spects for a few warships i had been working on. they worked by useing Orion drives in conjuntion with magsails. they carried any where from 4 to over 500 nukes 150MT each plus smaler 1 MT missiles. the missiles used magsails to reach 20% c. the ships are between 50-750m long.

Okay when the aliens come, your building our warships :)

well i would love to;) , I had plans for a whole battle fleet. the reason I started was from reading about Germany's rise to power before WW1 and it's return before WW2. so most of my ships get Geman names. I can post the specs if anyone wants to see, and give advice and opinions on them.

Project Pluto.

Don't plan to live on Earth though after that. Nor with Orion. But at least, while living in caves and eating tasteless turd, humanity could give its best in the war against the unknowns.

With chance, if we were to win, we could eventually scavange tech and analyze it.

About musteering science forces, today all money and resources are spread over thousands upon thousands of different projects. If most of our science teams and industries were geared towards the war machine, I'm pretty sure we could pull something off truly impressive within that decade.

Of course, the main problem is how you manage the populations worldwide, because we will have not solved food problem at all.

General Mayhem wrote:well i would love to;) , I had plans for a whole battle fleet. the reason I started was from reading about Germany's rise to power before WW1 and it's return before WW2. so most of my ships get Geman names. I can post the specs if anyone wants to see, and give advice and opinions on them

Please do. This could be fun if you don't mind I might try to designe a couple of ships as well, through I'm going to say upfront that yours are better,waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then I would build.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Don't plan to live on Earth though after that. Nor with Orion. But at least, while living in caves and eating tasteless turd, humanity could give its best in the war against the unknowns.

That is why Pluto is a scorch Earth weapon. Viewed as a weapon to destroy the earth for organic life I can't really see a problem with the weapon. It should work wonderfuly.However Orion shouldn't be nearly so bad. Granted some radiation damage/contanination is expected but you should be looking at a rise in cancer levels not a holocaust. A small price to pay for freedom wouldn't you say?

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Of course, the main problem is how you manage the populations worldwide, because we will have not solved food problem at all.

It's simple. You either build a super death machine starship or you don't eat. Also have you tried solyent green? ;-)

Realisticly you have a point. Whatever quasi-world goverment would have it's handful organizing six billions people into produtive groups and feeding them in the proccess. I would suggest incentives,subsidaries, tax exemptions,etc on those producing eatable crops of or suprassing a certain yield to encourage as much food growth as possible.

while the tech may be workable. there is another concern.
in this scenario at least, we have no idea about the OpForces composition, number of ships, their relative sizes, potential speed or maneuverability, nothing. We could be dealing with anything from the power equivalent of a lone battlestar or less to 50,000 SSD's to Magog worldships or beyond.

Does it make sense to throw resources at building a fleet of warships which may or may not even be able to intercept the invading force. Wouldn't it suck if the invader simply blew right past our orion drive ships without stoping. Or simply materialized in orbit exiting their jump drive. It seems to make more sense to keep as many resources close to home as you can.

Flectarn wrote:while the tech may be workable. there is another concern.
in this scenario at least, we have no idea about the OpForces composition, number of ships, their relative sizes, potential speed or maneuverability, nothing. We could be dealing with anything from the power equivalent of a lone battlestar or less to 50,000 SSD's to Magog worldships or beyond.

Does it make sense to throw resources at building a fleet of warships which may or may not even be able to intercept the invading force. Wouldn't it suck if the invader simply blew right past our orion drive ships without stoping. Or simply materialized in orbit exiting their jump drive. It seems to make more sense to keep as many resources close to home as you can.

That is a possibility but I look at it this way. If they can exit into orbit from thier jump drive then I doubt we could have done anything to hurt them. Besides my plan calls for a defense perimeter of satlistes, it's not like Earth is defenseless. I simply want to engage them as far from Earth as possible, even an empty starship could do a helluva lot of damage to Earth(from our perspective) even at the "modest" speeds a fission based orion drive could achieve. We also don't know the aliens goals. It may be to simply kill humanity, ie causing extiction level events across the planet. In that case having mobile warships would not doubt help. Atleast we would have the capacity to intercept if they guided a string of asteriods in our path or missiles.

This is assuming they don't just drop the DS1 in upper orbit and blast us to bits. :)

Well, if there are too many ships left after the war, you either upgrade them with the enemy's tech you've scavenged, or you... refit them into something else. Or you maintain them in case the enemy returns.

Actually, even we were to win, thing is that we would probably be scared shitless about this, and all our views on what defines a good weapon would be changed forever. The whole question would be if we could manage to keep control of the arsenal without falling back into our own bad habits, because this could even be the greater danger: fake an invasion, let Earth build up stuff of tremendous power, send just some shitty fleet, loose on purpose, and let a devastated and politically torn planet start shooting its weapon against its own people.

Anyway, from there, assuming all goes well after the war, you've accomplished a harsh step into colonization of space, so you can start working on building civilian space stations and other moon bases.

sonofccn wrote:

General Mayhem wrote:well i would love to;) , I had plans for a whole battle fleet. the reason I started was from reading about Germany's rise to power before WW1 and it's return before WW2. so most of my ships get Geman names. I can post the specs if anyone wants to see, and give advice and opinions on them

Please do. This could be fun if you don't mind I might try to designe a couple of ships as well, through I'm going to say upfront that yours are better,waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then I would build.

that would be awsome if you wanted to do so, I will start posting the specs but I have no way to post images of these ships right now.