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[Mr. Oragahn]

I don't see how your "supporting material" will matter. It would if they bothered to be fair first, but they essentially are trolls erected to roles of impoten--- importance. Your disruptive debating is simply not welcomed. As I said, it's a club of some sort first. Being a place for open and fair debate is what it generally looks like, but soon shows not to be such in quick order.
Regardless of whether I agree with your points or not, you actually have another option, but they won't like it. ;)

Supers4 seems to at least be warning people for infractions now, by people i mean those who normally get away with shit and by warning i mean saying something in a thread.

How much of the process like points ect that we do not see are being dished out is unknown but i am keeping records of simular infractions made by others along with the points and duration i was given for simular offenses or lesser ones.

Oh, yes. Those Global Warnings, alongside member-specific targeting. They've been doing that for a full decade. Didn't you see a small red dot on your clothes? :)

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

I don't see how your "supporting material" will matter. It would if they bothered to be fair first, but they essentially are trolls erected to roles of impoten--- importance. Your disruptive debating is simply not welcomed. As I said, it's a club of some sort first. Being a place for open and fair debate is what it generally looks like, but soon shows not to be such in quick order.
Regardless of whether I agree with your points or not, you actually have another option, but they won't like it. ;)

Supers4 seems to at least be warning people for infractions now, by people i mean those who normally get away with shit and by warning i mean saying something in a thread.

How much of the process like points ect that we do not see are being dished out is unknown but i am keeping records of simular infractions made by others along with the points and duration i was given for simular offenses or lesser ones.

Oh, yes. Those Global Warnings, alongside member-specific targeting. They've been doing that for a full decade. Didn't you see a small red dot on your clothes? :)

Yea i pointed out that they tend to wait until the less than popular eventually break a rule (after pages of other more popular dudes doing it over and over again being ignored) before giving a warning to "all" so they seem fair...in one of my complaint posts.

I even showed a thread where i did not reply in kind to "motherfucker" type insults made in a thread (by one of the usual suspects) AFTER the mod had already given a global warning, and mentoned that i had reported them and showed nothing was done.......me not taking the bait and giving them a excuse to warn me with the others mean no warnings given at all...:).

Then in a later thread after plenty of insults were thrown my way and complaints ignored i give a tiny bit back and hey presto within a very short space of time they got a warning and so did i....although i aparantly got a "lesser" one.

But it clearly illustrated how they operate in regards to baiting and waiting.

The rather obvious point and bias was ignored and the fact i got a "lesser" warning in the later thread was what the focus was attempted to be put on rather than the obvious bait and wait trap tactic i illustrated.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

I sincerely hope you aren't referring to me with that comment.

However, if you wish to enact BoP, that is fine. Schatten has 12 hours to provide evidence for his claim.

However, you do have one issue that you are attending to very poorly: Semantics.

You can claim all you want that you aren't arguing semantics, however, the issue is, you clearly are. You are trying to use the dictionary definition of the word "sear" and "searing" to try and prove they are in no way similar to "blasting off". However, what does a blast do? Creates enormous pressure and heat. What is searing? Essentially burning. How can something be burned? Either by intense heat or intense pressure, which oddly enough, is what blasting does.

Please do not take this as me entering the debate and thus having an obvious conflict of interest. This is me pointing out how you are actually arguing semantics. It would be one thing if Schatten was claiming "it casually blew up the planet" and then the quote actually says what you showed it did. But that isn't what he said, he said it was able to blast off continents, he didn't say it did that to all the continents at once(at least that isn't the impression I got), he did however, say it was capable of doing it, and since it was able to crack a continent, then sear it down, a large enough blast would thus do that, as its intense heat and pressure would sear the surface as well as crack it.

"Hey, I'm actually taking the defense of Schatten and literally trying to backpedal for him, but please try to ignore my present actions and assume I've not entered the debate at any time."

Really, I don't get how you can be more in the debate than there.
Let's see.

You can claim all you want that you aren't arguing semantics, however, the issue is, you clearly are. You are trying to use the dictionary definition of the word "sear" and "searing" to try and prove they are in no way similar to "blasting off". However, what does a blast do? Creates enormous pressure and heat. What is searing? Essentially burning. How can something be burned? Either by intense heat or intense pressure, which oddly enough, is what blasting does.

Oh, how clever.
When you crack something, in general it means that you have something there, like a plate, and suddenly there's like a ravine running down its surface, or it's snapped into two different pieces or more. At certain magnitudes, this could be considered to be blasted off, if you're generous. But when we're speaking of something as heavy as a goddamn planetary crust, there's quite a difference between cracking a plate that's like worth quadrillions of tonnes, and literally blowing up several continents in one shot.

As for searing, the spin doctoring is equally funny. That's quite SDN ultra-literalism 101 here.
Why is it that Kor should have warped the meaning of Schatten's words to make it less ridiculous, but the general understanding of the verb searing as to be so violently raped in order for SS4 to get the upper hand, so much that he can then argue that blasting a continent or two into space will actually burn them?
If some tree falls on the roof of my house or if a one million tonnes ferrous asteroid slams into same roof at 30 km/s, I guess they'd both damaged?
See, there's quite a difference in blasting off continents and merely searing them, if only for the fact that searing them doesn't require pulverizing and throwing up into the air at least two continents worth of matter.
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Little detail is little?

I don't know what's more ridiculous. That, or the fact that they'd all be anal over Kor if he had used the same turn of words as Schatten did.
Also, they'd also be all nitpicky if a given author had a made difference in saying searing and cracking a crust instead of blasting continents off a planet, as long as they could get big numbers out of it, or lower the numbers for the verse they're up against.
The level of hypocrisy hurts.

Here is a amusing addition i forgot to mail you, schatten decided to flesh out his claim a bit with comments regarding "mass ejecta" ect in post 61 and i discussed it with Mith a bit, along with other bits of attempted wanking:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... 355&page=7


Makes you wonder if he got a "thanks for adding that part about "mass ejecta" and making me look like a even bigger twat for trying to explain away your obvious unsupported wanking as scemantics" message from some of the people who may have been involved in the debate doesnt it lol...

[Mr. Oragahn]

Here is a amusing addition i forgot to mail you, schatten decided to flesh out his claim a bit with comments regarding "mass ejecta" ect in post 61 and i discussed it with Mith a bit, along with other bits of attempted wanking:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... 355&page=7


Makes you wonder if he got a "thanks for adding that part about "mass ejecta" and making me look like a even bigger twat for trying to explain away your obvious unsupported wanking as scemantics" message from some of the people who may have been involved in the debate doesnt it lol...

Ah. I had missed that. He literally shot himself in the foot.

Why, exactly? You've admitted as much yourself that he's playing semantics games and it's clear to everyone else that he is. All the evidence that should be necessary is the DESB quote in his post, it specifically mentions blasting through the shield and 'searing' the surface with such power to kill all complex life, any kind of hit capable of doing that is going to get you mass ejecta. Remembering that continents can be as large or larger than Asia or as small as Australia, this isn't a difficult feat for a weapon that kills all complex-life.

To cover his footprints, he first speaks of one continent, and goes as far as say that it could be small like Australia.
Australia is nowhere small to begin with, and cracking Australia would not require blasting it off into space.
Secondly, he spoke of blasting off continents -plural.
So not only it is very convenient to claim that now TWO continents and not just one would be small, but he was clearly going for mass ejecta, without saying how much of it though. The point is that you're not going to blast off two continents, plus the likely sea or ocean in between, with just one shot, unless said shot clearly blows a whole chunk of the planet's into space. Otherwise, you'll get an event which will spread enough energy over the surface to actually sear and crack them in some places.

This is not even a question of knowing who wins, it's a question of having a mod defend a guy from your rightful reserves considering a peculiar claim, which for all intents and purposes, is not only semantically wrong, but is factually wrong in light of the canon.

As I said, the superlaser is a subject we dealt with a lot here. There are threads where we mentioned nearly all incidences of superlasers being used. We covered all the events of Despayre, Alderaan, and the descriptions of the firepower of the Eclipse's superlaser.
The Death Star's superlaser final firepower is nowhere linear. The direct firepower might, but the clear evidence of special additional forces dramatically increasing the final magnitude of the destruction against a planet is undisputable. The book "Death Star" clearly shows what goes on with shots at 1/3 of max, then another third, and a final one, and we're obviously nowhere close to full thirds of massive planetary scattering the way it was seen against Alderaan, or even the way it happened against Despayre when the last third was fired.

The Eclipse's SL is said to have a fraction of the Death Star's SL firepower, although how much depends on the sources.

Another thing to talk about, is the SL mounted on an ISD. I guess it's now EU canon. Isn't it ridiculous? Don't they realize that the huge hidden hardware assembly behind a SL is literally stuck in the same place where we know there are all the reactors, fuel tank and engines?

First, since the ISD still needs to fly - even if it has obviously been lightened a great deal since there's now two mandibles in lieu of the full dagger shape, from aft to bow - the ISD cannot have been stripped of necessary components such as engines, reactors, fuel cells and everything that goes around those. So simply put, the SL we see is best understood as a scaled up version of the little dish mounted on the globes of the Republican LAATs : the energy is obviously channeled somewhere around the globe and through the arm that holds it out, since the pilot is sitting right behind the dish that fires the green beams. In other words, it would not be a truly SL per se, but just a scaled up DET beam weapon of limited firepower, perhaps eventually worth a million times the yield of the megajoule yields fired by the globes (there was nothing impressive about those weapons at all).

Secondly, there could actually be an "enhancer", if we pay attention to a detail that's revealed in some ISD cutaways (although absent in the ICS I think): the hyperdrive sits right on top of the main reactor. In some schematics, the hyperdrive even as a column running down into the reactor. Now, if you look at the position of the dish and how it's stuck inside the ISD, its central axis should pass right through the hyperdrive.
Hyperdrive... hyperspace boost...

[User1591]

I find there bias rather amusing myself, it makes it that much easier to manipulate them. I mean the first time they banned me it was for not posting evidence, this was in a thread nobody was providing evidence on anything. The second time they banned me was for sock puppeting, the third was again for not providing evidence, the fourth through twentieth were for being Zinc (which is especially funny since they banned a number of people who were not me thinking they were me.) Mind you all through out my time there I have pretty much been sacrificing my accounts to get the people who the mods are actively supporting banned. Had pretty good luck with it to got Inquisitor Ryan banned for 2-3 months got Ricrery1 banned numerous times even got Leo banned a couple times.


And to think all that could have been avoided if the mods were not biased and the admins actually listened.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

I find there bias rather amusing myself, it makes it that much easier to manipulate them. I mean the first time they banned me it was for not posting evidence, this was in a thread nobody was providing evidence on anything.

Sound familiar although banning even if you were the only one is absurd as they could have just as easily declaired your arguments refuted...but noooooo the nazis from SDN pretty much running the place could not accept such things.

The second time they banned me was for sock puppeting, the third was again for not providing evidence, the fourth through twentieth were for being Zinc (which is especially funny since they banned a number of people who were not me thinking they were me.) Mind you all through out my time there I have pretty much been sacrificing my accounts to get the people who the mods are actively supporting banned. Had pretty good luck with it to got Inquisitor Ryan banned for 2-3 months got Ricrery1 banned numerous times even got Leo banned a couple times.

Yea i am reporting every infraction but its not easy with such mod bias about.

I got a 25 point 12 month warning for asking a guy in one thread for material so we could better examine his claims, white_rabbit replied to my post with a direct insult so i altered my sig to show him in a bit of hypocrisy.

SS4 gave me a 12 month 25 point ban and told me to remove the sig but did jack shit against whait_rabbit who had already made 2 or 3 insults in that thread prior to that point (at least initially, after i made SS4 aware i was starting the complaint process he gave WR a warning for later insults in the thread).

White_rabbit is on SS4's friends list...

And to think all that could have been avoided if the mods were not biased and the admins actually listened.

Never gonna happen, they even know how biased they are because of the "bait and wait" tactics they use and i pointed out (having their buddies insult over and over again and ignoring it until you eventually reply then giving out a "general" warning to all) your warnings add up to a eventual ban while theirs seem to disappear....

Either way i am collecting material of such bias and bullshit if you have any so please send me it if you have some, many others have done so.

PS: I sent you a pm.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Here is a amusing addition i forgot to mail you, schatten decided to flesh out his claim a bit with comments regarding "mass ejecta" ect in post 61 and i discussed it with Mith a bit, along with other bits of attempted wanking:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... 355&page=7


Makes you wonder if he got a "thanks for adding that part about "mass ejecta" and making me look like a even bigger twat for trying to explain away your obvious unsupported wanking as semantics" message from some of the people who may have been involved in the debate doesnt it lol...

Ah. I had missed that. He literally shot himself in the foot.

I know i could not have asked for a better comment at a better time to make those screaming about semantics look stupid and biased. I think a lot of the problem is that they have gotten lazy, sloppy and stupid because they have had mod support for their bullshit for so long.

AAAAAnd as expected in a new thread involving 40k:

A trolling attack from white_rabbit.

I was posting these comments with a seemingly ok and reasonable dude (KnightErrant) in this thread:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=184654

Here:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=11

and here:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=14

However a thread containing 40k was too much for white_rabbit to resist trolling so he posted this:-

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=34

Obviously giving me the opportunity to point out some rather interesting and amusing things about his post:-

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=45

LOL.

These guys must love me to be so retardedly obvious and hypocritical at the same time especially when that tool White_rabbit now claims it was NOT personal while doing so :).

I honestly find it amasing that they have been spoiled by the mods for so long they cannot see what they are doing, even more so as the discussions in the thread were pleasant and quite reasonable up to that point giving us a clear contrast in attitudes in regards to that asshat and the rest of the people in the thread.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

A bit more uneaqual crap from SS4:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=363


I got this:

Dear Kor,

You have received an infraction at SpaceBattles.com.

Reason: personal attack
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Your trolling of White Rabbit will not be tolerated. Do not make personal attacks such as this.

Also, remove said attacks from you signature, ie everything from you sig that is in reference to White Rabbit.
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This infraction is worth 25 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

In a thread that had no prior warnings in it when i asked this:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=46

Got this insult as a reply:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=48

And as you know because if that comment changed my sig so make WR look even more like the idiot he is.

The irony of me getting such a harsh warning for trolling for being trolled is not lost on many, nor is the fact the troler in question is on that particular "mods" friends list.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Don't bother. You know it's a biased place, so why waste time with that "database"? I know what it's like, I've been there, and it didn't work.
What makes you think yours won't get ignored? You're holding a diary which will most likely prove totally useless in the end. You've already been told to basically fuck off by an admin.
And yes, WR is trolling. I should recommend you don't pay attention to all his insults, snide attacks and baiting. Just focus on the arguments, and that's all. Doing so, you could only get banned for supposedly "bad arguments", which in the long run is certainly not going to roll against you. It will allow you to invite a particular debater into a multi-round duel.
Would they refuse, it would merely prove them wrong. Oh we know they'd try to pull all sorts of excuses about why they don't have to follow you outside of SBC, but it would be pretty easy to tell them that since in your opinion, SBC is not a neutral ground, the debate is too biased to be properly held over there. This, basically to put a preemptive counter to any attempt of appeal to the decisions of the SBC moderators (bans) like if they were the sole judges in the universe of all things right and wrong.

As for the infraction on GhanjRho and AtomicDryad, I think it's actually deserved. They pretty much were the only two guys posting about the OP or Episky right after SS4's warning. You know, there are times when it is deserved. For example, my posting of the wanking gif in an ICS thread.

Besides, try not to mention me in a 40K thread that white_rabbit reads, it kinda makes him prone to uncontrolled snapping and hemorrhage. :) My persona left a kind of hurting brain imprint he's not able to shake off, and he's quite twitchy about those things.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Don't bother. You know it's a biased place, so why waste time with that "database"? I know what it's like, I've been there, and it didn't work.
What makes you think yours won't get ignored? You're holding a diary which will most likely prove totally useless in the end. You've already been told to basically fuck off by an admin.
And yes, WR is trolling. I should recommend you don't pay attention to all his insults, snide attacks and baiting. Just focus on the arguments, and that's all. Doing so, you could only get banned for supposedly "bad arguments", which in the long run is certainly not going to roll against you. It will allow you to invite a particular debater into a multi-round duel.
Would they refuse, it would merely prove them wrong. Oh we know they'd try to pull all sorts of excuses about why they don't have to follow you outside of SBC, but it would be pretty easy to tell them that since in your opinion, SBC is not a neutral ground, the debate is too biased to be properly held over there. This, basically to put a preemptive counter to any attempt of appeal to the decisions of the SBC moderators (bans) like if they were the sole judges in the universe of all things right and wrong.

As for the infraction on GhanjRho and AtomicDryad, I think it's actually deserved. They pretty much were the only two guys posting about the OP or Episky right after SS4's warning. You know, there are times when it is deserved. For example, my posting of the wanking gif in an ICS thread.

Besides, try not to mention me in a 40K thread that white_rabbit reads, it kinda makes him prone to uncontrolled snapping and hemorrhage. :) My persona left a kind of hurting brain imprint he's not able to shake off, and he's quite twitchy about those things.

I agree that GhanjRho and AtomicDryad deserved it, my point was they got a short term 10 point warning in a thread that they continued to troll in after it had been given a general warning.

I got a 25 point 12 month warning for changing my sig to be more like RAMA'S (amoung other people) after BEING trolled by white_rabbit in a thread that he had already made several insults in.

But then white_rabbit is on SS4's friends list so free passes for him and harsh unjust punishments for his opposition are obviously the benifits...

And i am compiling the list and examples for a reason.

[Mike DiCenso]

I find there bias rather amusing myself, it makes it that much easier to manipulate them. I mean the first time they banned me it was for not posting evidence, this was in a thread nobody was providing evidence on anything. The second time they banned me was for sock puppeting, the third was again for not providing evidence, the fourth through twentieth were for being Zinc (which is especially funny since they banned a number of people who were not me thinking they were me.) Mind you all through out my time there I have pretty much been sacrificing my accounts to get the people who the mods are actively supporting banned. Had pretty good luck with it to got Inquisitor Ryan banned for 2-3 months got Ricrery1 banned numerous times even got Leo banned a couple times.


And to think all that could have been avoided if the mods were not biased and the admins actually listened.

Hi, Zinc. Welcome to the forum. Do you happen to have any convient links to the threads in question where the mods showed excessive bias against you?
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Just for the sake of completion, Poe's account at SBC was SPOOFE.

[Mike DiCenso]

You might want to try a different link there as a login is required to view that page.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

You might want to try a different link there as a login is required to view that page.
-Mike

Can't do otherwise. It's the member profile. It's not really important, as long as you just remember the nickname.

[mojo]

the greatest troll of all time is WILGA. after countless debates keeping his cool, he once exploded on some guy called something like punkmaister or something. i loved it so much i created a thread to glorify it, but spock misinterpreted my intentions and thought i was mocking him, and warned me for it.
but oh god it was glorious.