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Kor_Dahar_Master
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by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:54 pm
Admiral Breetai wrote:they have an irrational biased against comic book series as well there
though Kor your examples are..bad I mean it literally requires blind adherence to the status quo and blatant biased to ignore such examples on the admins part
Yea its pretty disgraceful but then it is also so absurdly obvious that as you say either some or all the admins support such crap.
One of the admins actually threatened me with a ban ect if i continued to send him examples of such.
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by User1596 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:45 pm
Re: Did not provide dishonest evidence
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Originally Posted by Episky
I am sorry that superS4 was wrong but that is no reason to falsely claim I provided dishonest evidence.
I was looking at the thread as a whole and I'm not the only other staff member who did a review. Like I said you have created a one sided debate which only what you say matters even if it is right or wrong. Also over the course of your own debate you keep changing your facts which others have pointed out.
In superS4 case he pointed out that the system you are using to scale is flawed. Instead of taking the advice and improving your debating you ignore it and continue. This is what it has been like throughout the whole thread and why you are getting the time off.
Just thought I would post this.
Apparently with no math or evidence backing them the mods can declare evidence and math you provided wrong and then ban you for it.
It's also worth noting the one sided debate where I am not proven wrong is because the other side refuses to provide evidence on any of there claims.
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by Mike DiCenso » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:01 am
Hi Episky, welcome to the forum. While there are situations were users here and elsewhere have provided falsifed evidence, the moderators need to take the time as well as responsibility, and explain what makes the evidence questionable. A moderator cannot simply declare evidence dishonest simply because they don't like it.
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Admiral Breetai
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by Admiral Breetai » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:04 pm
Kor_Dahar_Master wrote:Admiral Breetai wrote:they have an irrational biased against comic book series as well there
though Kor your examples are..bad I mean it literally requires blind adherence to the status quo and blatant biased to ignore such examples on the admins part
Yea its pretty disgraceful but then it is also so absurdly obvious that as you say either some or all the admins support such crap.
One of the admins actually threatened me with a ban ect if i continued to send him examples of such.
can some one please explain to me how guys behind the wong is wrong Essay and other such lovely things..got totally subverted by the maniac brigade?
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Mr. Oragahn
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by Mr. Oragahn » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:54 pm
mojo wrote:jesus christ, really? now you're INTENTIONALLY misinterpreting what i'm saying, or you're trolling me. wtf, lay off wilga!? that's the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me. I WAS CLEARLY PRAISING HIM. so should i also lay off breetai, from that time i said he was my favorite new member in ages? and, holy shit, i better lay off star wars and star trek, because i've been talking them up since i joined! PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.
and yes, that was worth whatever i get for it. :)
That's precisely what you get in a culture where people think they're cool the more they use the word fuck and shit. For example, "that's the shit". Aside from the fact that it's quite vulgar, it probably took some people to get used to the urban culture meaning of this expression. In a way that's a bit the same that goes on here, safe that we didn't even begin to enter the transition phase towards the new meaning. Basically, people are used to a specific meaning of the word troll, and wouldn't see how it could be used to say anything positive about the person being called a troll. Now, I don't know, I haven't a clue about which thread you're all referring to, but perhaps you wanted to mean that WILGA snapped and that was fun to see happen? :)
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by Admiral Breetai » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:47 pm
there is an art form to vulgarity if done right can be allot less "ignorant" and "obscene"
thats the same with trolling really although the extent of that can depend on if your like mister O says a follower of the more classic definition..or a follower of the new more 4chan influenced take on as they call it "successful trolling"
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by sonofccn » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:49 am
@ Mr. Oragahn:
This I think would cover the particulars. The quotes were taken from one of the what...half dozen or so debates/arguments between Punkmiaster and Wilga.
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User1596
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by User1596 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:24 am
Got some new amusement apparently the spacebattles Mod SuperS4 is telling people it is ok to use fan translations as evidence.
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Admiral Breetai
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by Admiral Breetai » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:39 am
Episky wrote:Got some new amusement apparently the spacebattles Mod SuperS4 is telling people it is ok to use fan translations as evidence.
in what thread?
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Mr. Oragahn
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by Mr. Oragahn » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:20 am
Admiral Breetai wrote:Episky wrote:Got some new amusement apparently the spacebattles Mod SuperS4 is telling people it is ok to use fan translations as evidence.
in what thread?
Probably the Borg vs Forerunner or the latest Dominion vs GE, possibly one wherein Episky or Ricrery are talking about some Borg transthing. Can't say I'm particularly convinced by the arguments made by the Trek side from the stuff I read some days ago.
Still, that's quite a curious statement from SS4 though.
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Kor_Dahar_Master
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by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:53 am
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Admiral Breetai wrote:Episky wrote:Got some new amusement apparently the spacebattles Mod SuperS4 is telling people it is ok to use fan translations as evidence.
in what thread?
Probably the Borg vs Forerunner or the latest Dominion vs GE, possibly one wherein Episky or Ricrery are talking about some Borg transthing. Can't say I'm particularly convinced by the arguments made by the Trek side from the stuff I read some days ago.
Still, that's quite a curious statement from SS4 though.
Likely this i think:
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... 183&page=5
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Mr. Oragahn
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by Mr. Oragahn » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:53 pm
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=140
Clearly the first time I ever hear that fan translations are fine when there's no official one to use, regardless of the OP allowing the fan translations in that thread.
Can't remember anything like that in the rules.
Technically, they have rule 4 that allows it, but only as long as it's been first clearly established by a mod. However SS4 states on this as if it were already settled. Perhaps it's been in the pass, can't care to look for all Crest of the Stars threads.
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by Praeothmin » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:06 pm
Well, after reading his argument:
His material is allowed. Do not dictate policy on this board. Its one thing to say "you can't use fan translations instead of official work", it is a whole different thing to say you can't use it at all when no officially licensed translation exists. Unless you wish to claim the translation is incorrect and can prove this, I would suggest you stop trying to dictate policy here.
I kinda agree with him.
If the canon material exists only in one language, say Japanese, and it says "the E-D is capable of wiping all the life on a planet", and one fan translates it as such because he's fluent in English and Japanese, then the infor should be good, unless someone else proves the translation is not valid using linguistic arguments...
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by Mike DiCenso » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:21 pm
I would agree with that, with one or two provisions. Mostly importantly, I would require the person making that translation to "show their work", just as anyone who had claimed to have made a fan calc, then failed to show their work when they were asked to. So thusly:
1.) Have the original text provided, assuming there are no offically licensed translations.
2.) Once provided, show how your translation fits, and link to fansites which have a reasonable and reliable track record of translating that material, and if their work agrees, then and only then will the fan translation be allowed into the debate.
-Mike