LMAO@SpaceBattles!

[Mr. Oragahn]

I guess locking the thread is preferable to forcing someone arguing with me to fulfill the burden of proof then huh...


http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=137

FYI i hit the report button only twice during the entire thread and included links and a full explanation in them to make it easy for him to do his job.....


Obviously i knew it would be a waste of time to do so (at least over there) but doing it the right way and showing the mods response to it on here makes a good addition to the other material we have in this thread already.

What I dislike more about SB.com's pompous mods is when you ever dare suggest what they might do regarding the behaviour of another member. They come on their mighty horses and are ready to literally ban those who speak out their minds in order to bring back some order to the place, instead of focusing on the obvious troll in the room.
You get to see how you need a huge ego to fit the bill for moderation duties.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Look like SS4 is handing out infractions all around in this thread or at least he is CLAIMING to have done:


http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... 884&page=5

FYI one of the warning i got (he managed to get 3 out of out for me) was for calling some one "blinkered", i did this because they harassed me about calling some one retarded and i pointed out that he must be "blinkered" as he was harassing me for doing so while ignoring the fact that i was subjected to the exact same insult first and was replying in kind.

But for some reason he did not bother posting to harass that person for using the word, pretty much proving my point regarding him being like others on the board (the mods plus their pets) who wear blinkers.


Still it does go to show what a lying biased twat he is as that thread did have a few infractions from me in it and according to him he went through it all and located ALL the infractions from all those who did it and dished out warnings........

But the thread where i had made none and was asking for him to enforce the burden of proof rule he locks even though it was a far simpler situation with only 2 people and would have taken no time at all to sort out:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... ost6535395

So looks like the dick is back to his old tricks of abusing his mod powers to support his buddies and harass those he dislikes....what am i saying back to for he has always been a twat abused them without pause..


I pointed out the unfairness of the 10 point 6 year penalties and he sent me this:


http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1294 ... length.jpg


It seems each individual infraction in a thread now is penalized so i will be listing them in my reports from now on.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

I just noticed this new warning i got and it has to be the icing on the cake:

Dear Kor,

You have received an infraction at SpaceBattles.com.

Reason: Baiting
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Alright Kor, knock off the baiting. You're going after him for an image he posted from the very beginning of the thread, and are likening him to a child molester as you are bringing up some "child rape" picture.

Knock that off, now.
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This infraction is worth 10 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

It is in regards to the very last comment i put in this post:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthre ... ost6576753


Now the image i am referring to is one i have always found totally repulsive and unacceptable, maybe its because i am a father or maybe because i am a adult and not a teenage idiot but it makes me want to go out, find and hurt people who treat children the way the image implies every time i see it:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... stcount=22

I got the absurd warning and WTF claim i am likening him to a child molester Yesterday at 12:34pm the post and edit as you can see were made Yesterday between 12:10pm and 12:23pm.

Sir_Tanly has perhaps been banned as he has it under his name but i have no idea what for or the exact time as his last post was yesterday 9:30pm.


Does anybody care to enlighten me why i get a warning for pointing out a repulsive picture another person posted in a place it should never be?, (it should not be anywhere tbh). I think i even reported it when i first saw it as i tend to do so every time i see the filth, oh and care to explain how doing so "likens him to a child molester".


Still i did mention that image in this thread as being repulsive and i have no doubt that after the first thread we were in that one of the usual assholes on that board linked it to him and he had a good read through saw the comment regarding the disgusting image and decided to post it.

Oh i also got one for discussing the other retarded warning SS4 gave me about the "blinkered" comment in a open thread but i expected that, i sill do not get how "blinkered" deserves a warning.

Meh what a fucking place.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

While i am here il post a bit of classic SB.com hypocrisy:


http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=100

So the rant by SS4 came about because of the events in Obsession obviously i reasoned that the effect seen on screen was clearly not going to be achieved with a ounce in mass of AM, in fact even with LOADS it would not happen because of the lack of typical DET effects.

So as we have the effect i looked to the ounce to be a fluid ounce so it was volume and a way to increase the mass to a point it could reasonable power a planet wide trek style disintegration effect like we see has been done to the entire planet.

I also wanted to do this within the bounds of reasonable canon material and logic.

So the justification for them referring to it in fluid ounces were:

1. The fuel in trek is deuterium/Anti-deuterium and is a FLUID.

2. When it is referred to in regards to mass in the series they always use kg.

3. And obviously the stamp on the side of the anti-grav that admittedly i did not fully understand but had seen even individuals like Rama come to a similar reasoned explanation for it.

The counter argument to this was "Ounces usually means mass" that while partly true not only does not always be true (even the wiki link said The fluid ounce is sometimes referred to simply as an "ounce" in applications where its use is implicit") and as per the material above i figured Kirk and Spock implicitly knew the ship they hads fuel was a fluid.

Using a ounce as a unit of mass also ignores that a ounce of AM cannot achieve what we clearly see the material in the episode do.

Anyway he finished off with this as you can see:

Now this goes to all of you:
If you want to make a claim, back it up properly. Do not use your opinion as evidence, it isn't. Inferring something is not actual evidence. You can all debate back and forth over what "Gkg" means, but in the end, we have absolutely no idea what it is.

Anyway numpty boy pulls this out of his ass to try and refute the planet being all but a pool ball with all its features, mountains and seas gone:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=151

Note the admittance of crappy photoshop skills and the conclusion that we are seeing mountains/hills/plains/oceans/etc because of a few shades and crappy photoshop skills.

Now up to this point after SS4's rant i had kept my claims simple and easily provable and figured it was just a wind up to yank my chain doing exactly what SS4 had explicitly told us not to while getting away with it.

Amusingly enough White_rabbit pissed on the image while at the same time supported my actual claim without realizing it (he was in full "its not DET cos" mode and obviously thought that was what i had claimed rather than pointing out the same fact).

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=153

And my reply he was not happy about...:).

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=155


Anyway i made a rather foolish off hand comment about what else the stuff he coloured in could be and took the piss a bit and made a few jokes about the image and figured that was that.

Then i got this from guess who:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=167

As you can imagine i was rather shocked i was being leaned on for a BOP i considered a joke and said so pointing out the absurdness of making any claims from such a image and how doing so could get me into trouble, i also pointed out that it was his initial claim so his BOP:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=174

Facehugger replies with a comment about not making bullshit up myself means bullshit made up by others is some how a valid argument.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=175

So i replied with this:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=177

Facehuger replies by validating the crap by calling it evidence and saying i need to dismiss this "evidence" rather than Tanly prove it to a acceptable level:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=181

Anyway i make a quick reply to facehugger and then open up a tin of whoop ass on tanly regarding the entire planet:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=187

Any way me and he go back and forth for a while regarding the BOP on the image with him desperate for me to accept the joke i made as a claim so he can demand i prove it, he cites facehugger in this regard but i dismiss that bullshit easily.

Its quite entertaining read through if you like, but as expected facehugger pipes up again to save his drowning man or at least try to. As you can see not only has he tried to shift the burden of proof but has created several strawmen to try to do so in the process.:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=218

So at this point i was about sick of facehugger's usual crap and his new pets so i pointed out a few details regarding his made up bullshit about my claims and points and fleshed out my claim a bit:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=242

Any way that was the last i saw of fachugger in the thread and i followed up with a demand for proof from Tanly

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=246

After that i did not see a post of his in the thread until this rather pathetic squeek:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=263


Oh and in regard to the die is cast he comments about i pointed out in between the posts above if you did not bother to read through (and much to the chagrin of several of the more rabid warsies and 40k wankers) that the VISUAL effect in Obsession supports the fact that large quantities of planetary matter can be disintegrated by Trek weapons without the visual effects those who complain about TDIC go on about and abilities regarding disintegration of matter are available fro many types of weapons in Trek.

As you can imagine canon material that unifies the dialog and visuals in TDIC did not make certain people very happy :).

[Mr. Oragahn]

The idea that they used a fluid ounce has some merit. It eventually allows the idea that they could dump plenty of AM to power whatever odd device they had brought down.
Although it's clearly something odd which is never seen used again, most would say banned, it may at least allow for the argument that it generated a huge chain reaction. I think Mith talked about another of those subspace thingies.
Obviously, a multi-rim crater was produced, but it's extremely clean
As you said, it look close to the TDiC in terms of oddity.
The problem with TDiC is that I claimed that protomatter was used alongside NDF effects. However, I'm not sure this could be true for Obsession.
Well, the Genesis Device was used between 15 and 20 years after the E-nil's five years mission. Who knows? Perhaps carrying a small stock of protomatter around was a special order Starfleet people knew.
Mind you, with protomatter and TDiC type large scale odd effects, 28.35 grams of AM would easily be enough to power whatever plot-device they used that day. After all, Genesis wasn't really huge for example, nor where the torpedoes used in TDiC (unless we have evidence that they had modified their firing tubes).

The whole G^kg thing is rather odd though. There's not much to make out of it. Well, obviously it was quickly demonstrated that it's a rate of volumetric acceleration. I don't know if it's been pointed out in the thread, but in a rather liberal way, it could be understood as a unit indicating a compression capacity, which would be rather useful for containment of compressed antimatter for example.
The trouble is that this unit is not attached to the blue ball but to the two sort of racks, which you have shown to be used in another episode to lift some kind of cylindrical nuke-looking device, so it's a suggestion that doesn't really fit.


I also remarked that Chris OF's posts were rather logical until he, for some reason, couldn't read mere paragraphs.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=303

Quoting from the Battlefleet Gothic 2002 Annual;

Then, just when all seemed to be lost, the first squadrons of ships from Battle Fleet Bakka began to arrive.

In space, Marneus Calgar watched in rapt attention as reality rippled in front of the shapes emerging from the warp before parting like a curtain to reveal the familiar shapes of Imperial warships. Over two hundred Imperial eagles emblazoned the hologlobe, representing heavy cruisers, missile destroyers, battleships and including a gold eagle representing the huge Emperor-class capital ship Dominus Astra.
- pg. 47

Numbers for Battlefleet Bakka, and establishing that there were multiple battleships (four Victory-class - Hammer of Scaro, Victory, Argus and Conqueror, as listed on pg. 53 - in addition to the DA) in BF Bakka.

The battle was short and brutal as the Tyranids were caught in the cross-fire of the two fleets. Though they were outnumbered by over three to one the Imperial ships blasted their way through the hive fleet and scattered the bipships into small groups. The Tyranids' piecemeal counter attacks were beaten off by the awesome firepower of the heavily armoured and shielded Imperial ships. Their lances of fusion fire transfixed the organic hulls of the bio-ships and clouds of Imperial Navy fighters darted in to tear apart the crippled vessels. Within an hour the remnants of the hive fleet were dead and drifting, charred hulks spinning slowly through the void.
- pg. 47

The destruction of the first wave of Behemoth; mostly useful for noting that there were at least 600+ bioships in Behemoth's first wave.

Behind the two fleets the very fabric of space rippled before it was suddenly torn aside as another fleet emerged from warp space. The hologlobes were filled with ranks of red sparks as the second Tyranid hive fleet bore down on the ships of the combined Imperial fleet. This hive fleet was fresh and undamaged: hundreds of large bio-ships made up its vanguard, with their smaller companions staying to the sides and rear.
- pg. 47

Behemoth's second wave.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=304

Fair enough point, and Behemoth was the smallest of the fleets, but its still talking about thousands, tens of thousands of bigass ships, perhaps hundreds of thousands of auxiliary analogue ships, not the trillions to googleplex levels some people are hinting at

How he got tens of thousands of bigass ships -which are the bioships for those who don't get it- from descriptions which, at best, on the high end side of things, only allow for 1600, is baffling.

I actually noticed in that thread that many people could claim some truly stupid things and make outlandish statements for 40K, and no one would even twitch.
On page 1 or 2 someone referred to a certain "oranghan" and his "lol subkiloton" figures or some crap like that.
Boy, if that's all that remains from what I argued, better just forget me completely. I'd rather be cited accurately or not at all. This just shows how much is given care of contradiction (as opposition).

[Mr. Oragahn]

Oh, I've also read that Chakotay's statement was based on what they knew of the Borg territory then, but they discovered later on that they underestimated the Borg's expanse.
Do we have numbers, a map or something about how wide the Borg territory was?
I'll run a search here to see if we have some information about that later on.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Some posts on Tyranids:
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=340
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=362
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=404
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=443
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost ... tcount=447

[Mike DiCenso]

Oh, I've also read that Chakotay's statement was based on what they knew of the Borg territory then, but they discovered later on that they underestimated the Borg's expanse.
Do we have numbers, a map or something about how wide the Borg territory was?
I'll run a search here to see if we have some information about that later on.

Approximately 10,000 light years, as per "The Gift". At least at that point anyway, since Voyager had already travelled well inside Borg space in "Scorpion, Part 1 & 2" before Kes in "The Gift" threw the ship outside it. However in "Hope and Fear" just less than a year later, we learn the Borg had easily recovered from the near-defeat by Species 8472, and expanded their territory. Arturis' people were engulfed and assimilated in that expansion.
-Mike

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Oh, I've also read that Chakotay's statement was based on what they knew of the Borg territory then, but they discovered later on that they underestimated the Borg's expanse.
Do we have numbers, a map or something about how wide the Borg territory was?
I'll run a search here to see if we have some information about that later on.

Approximately 10,000 light years, as per "The Gift". At least at that point anyway, since Voyager had already travelled well inside Borg space in "Scorpion, Part 1 & 2" before Kes in "The Gift" threw the ship outside it. However in "Hope and Fear" just less than a year later, we learn the Borg had easily recovered from the near-defeat by Species 8472, and expanded their territory. Arturis' people were engulfed and assimilated in that expansion.
-Mike

Arturis world was likely the borg way OF rebuilding while expanding i expect.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Aside from the Nids' slow speed and their rather easily tracked moves (the gravitic disturbance is a massive give away for one), that debate would be over if they weren't allowed that silly gigaton crap and had to deal with the real firepower level: kilotons to low megatons tops.
I just love how people always remember the old and outdated Space Hulk 1st edition figure, yet completely neglect the other figures from BFG (gigawatts being a problem) or those from the latest Rogue Trader (terawatt main weapons), when it comes to citing sources that actually do give numbers.

Dang, I just realized that they keep saying that Behemoth fleet was the smallest of all, and that the entirety of it was destroyed at Maccrage, yet the map tells a much different story:

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/im ... rsions.jpg

Deadguy2001 understands what he sees as all groups of Behemoth swarm focusing on a single world.

It also goes without saying that the material from video games is less canon that material directly published by Games Workshop, as per the reality of WH40K's canon.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Oh, I've also read that Chakotay's statement was based on what they knew of the Borg territory then, but they discovered later on that they underestimated the Borg's expanse.
Do we have numbers, a map or something about how wide the Borg territory was?
I'll run a search here to see if we have some information about that later on.

Approximately 10,000 light years, as per "The Gift". At least at that point anyway, since Voyager had already travelled well inside Borg space in "Scorpion, Part 1 & 2" before Kes in "The Gift" threw the ship outside it. However in "Hope and Fear" just less than a year later, we learn the Borg had easily recovered from the near-defeat by Species 8472, and expanded their territory. Arturis' people were engulfed and assimilated in that expansion.
-Mike

Even if we assume a sphere its still a huge volume of space at 10,000ly diameter at least, if we look at the areas of space other species claim it could be a near or far edge of any type of shape other than a sphere.

Also if we look at the fact that the Borg clearly invade other Quadrants and realities their area of influence and territory in Voyager is just what they have in that particular Quadrant where they originated, admittedly it is reasonable to assume its the largest.

[Praeothmin]

I found this statement very, very funny:

Hint, if a bomb that has laid waste to the planet to the degree Kor and his ilk would claim has gone off within say, I don't know, a day or so, or even a great deal longer, then the planet isn't going to be looking like that. No plume of ejecta, nothing at all to indicate that freaking huge bomb has just gone off and blasted away atmosphere, boiled away oceans, destroyed mountains etc.

Does he not understand that this applies to any and all SW BDZ examples as well?
Dankayo, for example, has just been "slagged", apparently, yet no firestorms, no ejecta, and people can actually walk on the surface and not melt from the liquid rock?
Why are Warsies so hypocritical, that they use one set of arguments against ST, but forget all about them when talking about SW?

:)

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

I found this statement very, very funny:

Hint, if a bomb that has laid waste to the planet to the degree Kor and his ilk would claim has gone off within say, I don't know, a day or so, or even a great deal longer, then the planet isn't going to be looking like that. No plume of ejecta, nothing at all to indicate that freaking huge bomb has just gone off and blasted away atmosphere, boiled away oceans, destroyed mountains etc.

Does he not understand that this applies to any and all SW BDZ examples as well?
Dankayo, for example, has just been "slagged", apparently, yet no firestorms, no ejecta, and people can actually walk on the surface and not melt from the liquid rock?
Why are Warsies so hypocritical, that they use one set of arguments against ST, but forget all about them when talking about SW?

:)

Its is pretty clear what a tool he is on many levels, clowns like him should never be made moderators and if they are then behavior of clear bias and double standards supported by abusing his mod powers as he has shown to do over and over should see him replaced.


By all means add to your hilarity by noticing the "if a bomb that has laid waste to the planet to the degree Kor and his ilk would claim" when i clearly and multiple times say it was obviously not a DET weapon for the exact same reasons he goes on about.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Upon secondary inspection, it's possible, although not proved, that there may have been more than 1600 bioships in total. The second half of Behemoth fleet counted hundreds of bioships, but we're not told if it was greater in number than the first wave.
The first battle that saw the first squadrons of reinforcements from Fleet Bakka just arriving. Some would assume that more ships were to arrive later on, after the paragraph which gave Fleet Bakka about 200 ships. But there's no evidence to confirm the idea that Fleet Bakka was incomplete.
There's also the fact that two fleets engaged the Tyranids, and it's that total of two imperial fleet that still had the Tyranids outnumber them "over three to one": Fleet Bakka and the remaining ships of Calgar's fleet, the Ultramar fleet.

The Tyranid fleet was farther from the system's core than Calgar's fleet was, although not far from it since they had recently fought.
Upon the arrival of Fleet Bakka, the Nids decided to turn in-system and engage Calgar's forces.

After that first battle which lasted an hour or a bit less, Calgar had lost half of his ships and several others from the total had to be destroyed because of Tyranid boarding.
Calgar was very concerned about the fate of Maccrage and the polar garrisons, so he turned his fleet in-system. Rath followed with his own fleet (Fleet Bakka).
It's said it would take hours to get there.

Then the second Tyranid fleet emerged, composed of hundreds of pristine bioships, the larger at the front, the smaller on sides and rear.
Calgar knew he couldn't engage those ships, and the defenses of Maccrage were "hours away."

There was a defensive point at the hour away ringed gas giant Circe.
Calgar moved towards Maccrage and Rath turned his ships towards Circe.
The "greater part" of the Tyranid fleet followed Rath's ships towards Circe.

Interestingly, the detritus rings caused by the debris of Imperial ships and bioships being destroyed comprised "steel, blood and bone". Although we know adamantium is present on a good number of imperial warships, obviously steel, blood and bone were largely outmassing other more exotic materials.

Past the height of the battle, a fraction of the initial ships remain, counting the largest of all, the Dominus Astra, an Emperor-class battleship.
The ship's Warp drives were made critical and this is how that largest part of Fleet Behemoth got destroyed or sucked into the Warp.
Only a dozen Imperial ships remained after that.

Let's notice that the Ultramar fleet was only some light seconds away from Circe when the battle ended, yet they never ever attempted to fire at the obvious Tyranid ships.
Upon this victory, the Tyranid forces that followed Calgar's ships split, with only the smaller bioships pursuing, the other ones choosing to leave and turned back, heading out.

All Nid forces were swiftly destroyed before even getting anywhere near the planet.

In the description of the Emperor-class battleship, it is said that the Dominus Astra led 200 hundred ships during the battle of Circe, which were overwhelmed by Tyranid ships.

Son the problem is that we don't know the size of Calgar's fleet (yet).

[Mr. Oragahn]

Regarding firing ranges, I find Captain Hat's claim rather daring. He uses game rules heavily, while forgetting that ranges were conceived very rapidly for a sense of scale.
Most heavy weapons have ranges in the 30 cm. Only super heavies, the battleships (Emperor-class and Victory-class) have weapons with ranges of 60 cm and a Nova cannon with a range from 30 to 150 cm.
This means that for the heaviest warships, the maximum range of most weapons is 60,000 km (150,000 km for the Nova cannon).
I don't know where he gets his hundreds of thousands of KM and even ranges over millions of km, aside from a very liberal interpretation of a small bit from the BFG rulebook (the piece about ships located outside of naked eye range).

Here's what Andy Chambers had said on his website:

I'm not sure if I've talked about scale before but here goes anyway. BFG works around an approximate scale of 1cm=1000KM for the planets and other tabletop features. Obviously this means the ship models are massively out of scale, an Imperial cruiser is NOT 9000KM+ long! The scale is basically there as a rule of thumb and I didn't worry about it too much when it came down to setting weapon ranges, ship speeds and so on. These were all done to create the right impression of distance on the tabletop. For example 60cm 'feels' like a long way and 30cm doesn't, the weapon ranges aren't defined by some pseudo-science calaculation of the energy dissipation rate of lasers (fairly obviously ) but to create an interaction between the (massively out of scale) models on the tabletop.

The more interesting question is perhaps how long is a turn, and that one I don't know the answer too - I'd guess somewhere between 15 minutes and an hour (quite likely telescoping so that at long range a turn is an hour but by the time you're within 15 cm its 15 minutes). This would make an attack craft capable of moving 30cm per ordnance phase capable of doing approximately 30-120,000 km/h. I've got no idea if this is realistic for starfighter speeds, or unfeasibly fast, incredibly slow or what , perhaps someone on the list could enlighten us all on this front (don't just tell us what it says it the Star Wars technical manual though!).

Andy Chambers, last updated Monday, July 2, 2001.

The very idea that time itself stretches up and down as distances increase is just source of a big mess: you just have to imagine what it would look like if you were dealing with both a close range and long range combat at the same time.