Well, you got one thing right there. The people at SD.net are indeed horrible lying bastards when it comes to Trektech. I've pointed that out before, but hey... By all means keep ignoring it and pretending they give a nice, factual display of high end capabilities of phasers. Or anything else for that matter.
Your feeble-minded attempts to get involved here are getting pretty fucking irritating.
I don't give a flying fuck whether or not Wongy is the devil and touches you at night, how is he wrong about what I've referred to ?
Has he copied out the episode screen play incorrectly ? Does worf disintigrate a well consolidated natural rock formation a mile across, or has Wongy reproduced the events correctly ?
When you've got a fucking counter argument beyond " its Wong, so its Wrong" I'll start listening to your whining.
Especially since the cold hard math -not to mention the visuals- on the rock-blasting (For instance the phaser vs the rockface in ST:Inssurection, which IIRC they didn't show for their little show of weak-phasers) actually does put phasers squarely in the 'Modern tank or better' category when it comes to blowing stuff up.
This is what I cannot understand about most of the posters on this site.
You don't even "think" about posting a factual rebuttal of something, you just "say" its wrong, and actually means something completely different.
Get this through your skulls, I'm not part of the clique here, I'm not going to shrug and accept what you are telling me unless you can convince me.
Unless you really believe a modern rifle will blow up a chunk of rock the size of the average living room wall.
Where the fuck did I say this ?
Only goes to show that even when we've admitted your Orks are rather likely to win you still won't accept Trektech might actually be potent.
I wasn't aware you were some sort of Gestalt mind, although you certainly seem to have trouble (really ironically, given the hatred of SD.net you've got going)
To think someone seriously suggested this place as an alternative, you've become some sort of parody charicature of SD.net.
It would be conducive to polite discussion, I believe, if you two refrained from calling the posters at SDN "horribly lying bastards."
Come off it, what difference does it make ?
You lot obviously think they are horrible lying bastards, because at the slightest murmur of a reference, a reference wholly without analysis from SD.net, just conveniant facts, I get someone telling me its all lies.
My bad. 16 million in escorts indeed.
Indeed, so stop bloody wibbling about the numbers you "prefer", or think are more "appropriate".
Hard to tell, especially as space hulks aren't near the same kind of ship. Our most plausible guess is to go with about ~30 times as much, though there's much less certainty attached to that. What I'd really like to hear about is the average size of these other 400 ships, frankly.
So we do indeed have probable cause - if not, as Thanatos might wish to point out, proof - of the assertion of more than ~100 million Orks, which is, as I stated earlier, clearly sufficient to conquer Earth in a week or two. I'll reply to the rest later, Gniops.
Kroozers are 2-3km, based on how they compare to the 3km standard Imperial cruisers.
Oh, thats fine then, I guess I'll just take your word for it....
Good.
You are refusing to provide any further information, only speculation and opinion.
I think you are lying personally.
Everybody slips a decimal once in a while when they're expounding off the top of their head.
You slipped to the tune of ten billion earlier.
funny how its usually in support of your argument.
Physical strength and telekinetic powers mean nothing. Roga Danar was enhanced specifically by modern Treknology to deal with modern Treknology in the context of an infantry soldier. An integral transport inhibitor is no surprise.
Prove it.
That was not assumed. Had I assumed that, it would have been an easy win for Earth.
You assumed there were ten billion, and represented it as fact.
Gravitational force is related to mass. The rate of gravitational collapse is proportionate to the local g field.
In order for gravitational collapse to provide a threat on the order of minutes, the local g field needs to at least be on the orders of centimeters per second. This requires substantial mass.
I'm going to assume this has some relevence to events in the episode, and that you are unwilling to provide calculations and images to back it up.
Than a basic FTL drive, yes, actually.
Prove it.
I recommend you try some other examples, like "Ensigns of Command" or "Star Trek: First Contact." The latter actually involves a phaser rifle, and involves Worf taking out what appears to be a solid metal disk 0.3-0.6 meters thick and 3-5 meters across.
Prove it
You misread me again.
You barely bother reading me.
Quark sells lots of interesting things in "Business as Usual."
what the fuck is this ?
You MUST be deliberately trolling.
I need to know details about orkish bombers if we're to know anything about how effective they may or may not be. You've provided next to nothing.
They are supersonic VTOL aircraft that can break orbit. You've argued that they are incapable of being any use because your unquantified numbers of armed shuttle pods and federation personnel with non-existent anti-air phaser weapons can shoot them all down.
Be serious.
No. I'm assuming that your source places Roks in the tail of the Orkish fleet.
Which leaves us with a problem, because according to the rulebook, Roks can't enter the Warp.
Did you read a single fucking word I posted ?
Where in the system did the Orks come out of Warp?
Multiple incursions on the outskirts.
I said 10-20K, not 20-30K. Those are supported very much by those figures.
How so ?
Actually, factoring in any other considerations increases the yield. I cap the yield at a gigaton based on the size of photon torpedos.
But you can't actually prove that they do fill torps with that much antimatter, every bit of evidence suggests that their warheads are far, far, far smaller.
Photorps are pretty modular
So what ?
The feddies now modify their torpedos on the fly, removing a quarter of the contents of the torpedo to install extra warheads, but somehow not compromising the warheads effectiveness?
Can at what cost? Source? The core rulebook says they can't...
Grey Knights, the
Rubicons shields deflect a torpedo barrage, one or two others as well, but its effectively irrelevent, as the orks don't have Void shields.
... and in the time that a Warhammer 40K ship shells out a second volley, a Trek ship can have dumped its full torpedo load (275 for a TNG-era GCS, 96 for a movie-era CCS, et cetera.)
Firstly, stop blithering on about the output of a 40k ship based off your idiotic approach.
A Nova cannon is a single axial weapon that can be fired in the same turn as every other weapon on board, the Bombardment cannon calc refers to a single round from a single turret on board a strike cruiser.
I rather optimistically trust you see why you are talking bollocks ?
Second, how have you come about deciding this torpedo fire rate ?
I trust it wasn't something as moronic as measuring the ROF of a burst /spread of torpedos and applying that to the entire weaponry loadout ?
and thirdly, don't you consider it deeply hilarious that even low end, that means a GCS needs to dump twice its torpedo load, (assuming your gigaton calc wasn't greviously flawed) to take down one point of shielding, on a single ship, which it then cannot accomplish again.
ignoring criticals, armour, your five minute fallacy, the retardly low end calcs etc, you need to dump the entire torpedo loads of about 6 GCS into a single Kroozer to reduce its capabilities by half.
Of which there are 400.,...shooting back with weapons so powerful a glancing hit would cripple any federation ship in existence at this point
For a cavalry squadron attacking a Warhammer ship, we're easily talking about thousands of torpedos.
Cavalry squadron ? Where in Trek does that term appear ?
