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TNG: "The Outcast":
Picard: "How long to the Phelan system, Mister Data?"
Data: "At warp six, fifty three hours, sir."
Picard: "Commander?"
Riker: "Captain."
Picard: "Starfleet has sent a message asking us to proceed to the Phelan system to negotiate a trade agreement."
Riker: "Yes, sir."
Picard: "I didn't know when to tell them we will be there. Is our business with the J'naii finished?"
Riker: "Finished, sir."
Picard: "Very well. Ensign, take us out of orbit. Set a course for the Phelan system, warp six."
Ensign: "Aye, sir."
Picard: "Engage."
Solar system's are normally no closer than 5 light-years apart. So an absolute minimum value for warp six in this event is 823 c. And it can go way up from there.
Warp: 6; Time: 53 h; Distance: > 5 ly
Picard: "How long to the Phelan system, Mister Data?"
Data: "At warp six, fifty three hours, sir."
Picard: "Commander?"
Riker: "Captain."
Picard: "Starfleet has sent a message asking us to proceed to the Phelan system to negotiate a trade agreement."
Riker: "Yes, sir."
Picard: "I didn't know when to tell them we will be there. Is our business with the J'naii finished?"
Riker: "Finished, sir."
Picard: "Very well. Ensign, take us out of orbit. Set a course for the Phelan system, warp six."
Ensign: "Aye, sir."
Picard: "Engage."
Solar system's are normally no closer than 5 light-years apart. So an absolute minimum value for warp six in this event is 823 c. And it can go way up from there.
Warp: 6; Time: 53 h; Distance: > 5 ly
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VOY: "Night":
Seven: "Then I must disobey. I have no good news to report. I've completed an astrometric scan of the entire region. There are no star systems within twenty five hundred light years."
Chakotay: "Nothing?"
Seven: "Nothing."
Chakotay: "Why can't we see stars beyond that?"
Seven: "There are heavy concentrations of theta radiation. It has occluded our sensors."
Chakotay: "Any other ships out there?"
Seven: "None. We are alone."
Chakotay: "Every sailor's nightmare."
Seven: "Commander."
Chakotay: "It's like being becalmed in the middle of the ocean. If it weren't for sensors we wouldn't even know we were at warp. We've only been crossing this expanse for two months and we're already feeling the strain. How do we last another two years?"
Seven states that there are no star systems within 2,500 ly, using Chakotay's statement of two months elapsed and two years to go one gets an average speed of 1,171c.
Given that high warp cannot be sustained for to long Voyager is probably traveling at her usual warp six in this instance.
Seven's statement of nothing within 2,500 ly followed by the stuff about the limited range of their sensors suggests that the size of the void could be greater than 2,500 ly, but that is all they can see at the moment.
Warp: unknown (6 likely); Time: 26 months; Distance: (>?) 2,500 ly
Seven: "Then I must disobey. I have no good news to report. I've completed an astrometric scan of the entire region. There are no star systems within twenty five hundred light years."
Chakotay: "Nothing?"
Seven: "Nothing."
Chakotay: "Why can't we see stars beyond that?"
Seven: "There are heavy concentrations of theta radiation. It has occluded our sensors."
Chakotay: "Any other ships out there?"
Seven: "None. We are alone."
Chakotay: "Every sailor's nightmare."
Seven: "Commander."
Chakotay: "It's like being becalmed in the middle of the ocean. If it weren't for sensors we wouldn't even know we were at warp. We've only been crossing this expanse for two months and we're already feeling the strain. How do we last another two years?"
Seven states that there are no star systems within 2,500 ly, using Chakotay's statement of two months elapsed and two years to go one gets an average speed of 1,171c.
Given that high warp cannot be sustained for to long Voyager is probably traveling at her usual warp six in this instance.
Seven's statement of nothing within 2,500 ly followed by the stuff about the limited range of their sensors suggests that the size of the void could be greater than 2,500 ly, but that is all they can see at the moment.
Warp: unknown (6 likely); Time: 26 months; Distance: (>?) 2,500 ly
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TNG: "Sub Rosa":
Maturin: "Well, as you know, Caldos is one of the first terraforming projects of the Federation. Our weather controls and fusion systems are nearly a century old. I wouldn't mind having a starship Engineer take a look at them. Perhaps give us a few upgrades. Maybe in exchange for a tour of the colony and a home-cooked meal?"
Picard: "Well, we are due at Starbase six two one tomorrow morning, but we could delay for a few days. Yes, I'm sure we could find the time."
Maturin: "Excellent."
Picard states that the Enterprise is due at a starbase by the next morning, definitely less than 24 hours. As the colony is in need of an engineer it is unlikely that the starbase is in that system. Also it would be less than an hours transit to anywhere in system so that would not be of any concern. Given that adjacent systems are almost never closer together than five light-years outside the galactic core, even assuming the starbase is in an adjacent system that is a minimum travel distance of five light-years. The warp speed is unknown, however it is not at all urgent, so the speed is unlikely to be greater than warp five. This gives a minimum speed of 1,826 c in this instance for low-warp (possibly warp five).
Warp: Unknown, five likely; Time: < 24 h; distance: > 5 ly
Maturin: "Well, as you know, Caldos is one of the first terraforming projects of the Federation. Our weather controls and fusion systems are nearly a century old. I wouldn't mind having a starship Engineer take a look at them. Perhaps give us a few upgrades. Maybe in exchange for a tour of the colony and a home-cooked meal?"
Picard: "Well, we are due at Starbase six two one tomorrow morning, but we could delay for a few days. Yes, I'm sure we could find the time."
Maturin: "Excellent."
Picard states that the Enterprise is due at a starbase by the next morning, definitely less than 24 hours. As the colony is in need of an engineer it is unlikely that the starbase is in that system. Also it would be less than an hours transit to anywhere in system so that would not be of any concern. Given that adjacent systems are almost never closer together than five light-years outside the galactic core, even assuming the starbase is in an adjacent system that is a minimum travel distance of five light-years. The warp speed is unknown, however it is not at all urgent, so the speed is unlikely to be greater than warp five. This gives a minimum speed of 1,826 c in this instance for low-warp (possibly warp five).
Warp: Unknown, five likely; Time: < 24 h; distance: > 5 ly
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This may help you understand how the "Star Trek The Next Generation Technical Manual" warp scale was created.359 wrote: I misspoke, it's a power curve not exponential, sorry. The reason for my suspicion of the lower warp values is that warp one came out at roughly 400c and warp two at 2100c, which doesn't fit very well with my general impression of very low warp. The other reason for inaccuracy with this curve type is that it doesn't approach infinity as x->10, which the TNG+ warp scale is described as doing (although I personally have always found that to be somewhat stupid in concept).
Shame they failed on all counts.Series: Star Trek Title: Star Trek The Next Generation Technical Manual ISBN: 978-0-6717-0427-8 Page: 55 wrote: Figuring out how "fast" various warp speeds are was pretty complicated, but not just from a "scientific" viewpoint. First we had to satisfy the general fan expectation that the new ship was significantly faster then the original. Second, we had to work with Gene's recalibration, which put warp 10 at the absolute top of the scale. These first two constraints are fairly simple, but we quickly discovered that it was easy to make warp speeds TOO fast. Beyond a certain speed, we found that the ship would be able to cross the entire Galaxy within a matter of months. (Having the ship too fast would make the galaxy too small for the Star Trek format.) Finally, we had to provide some loophole for various powerful aliens like Q, who have a knack for tossing the ship millions of light years in the time of a commercial break. Our solution was to redraw the warp curve so that the exponent of the warp factor increases gradually, then sharply as as you reach warp 10. At Warp 10, the exponent (and the speed) would be infinite, so you could never reach this value. (Mike used an excel spreadsheet to calculate the speeds and times.) This lets Q and his friends have fun in the 9.9999+ range, but also lets our ship travel slowly enough to keep the galaxy a big place, and meets the other criteria. (By the way, we estimate that in " Where No One Has Gone Before" the Traveler was probably propelling the Enterprise at about Warp 9.9999999996. Good thing they were in the carpool lane.)
That makes it sound like a there are a number of unnamed factors in determining travel times at warp.359 wrote: TNG: "The Outcast":
Picard: "How long to the Phelan system, Mister Data?"
Data: "At warp six, fifty three hours, sir."
Picard: "Commander?"
Riker: "Captain."
Picard: "Starfleet has sent a message asking us to proceed to the Phelan system to negotiate a trade agreement."
Riker: "Yes, sir."
Picard: "I didn't know when to tell them we will be there. Is our business with the J'naii finished?"
Riker: "Finished, sir."
Picard: "Very well. Ensign, take us out of orbit. Set a course for the Phelan system, warp six."
Ensign: "Aye, sir."
Picard: "Engage."
Solar system's are normally no closer than 5 light-years apart. So an absolute minimum value for warp six in this event is 823 c. And it can go way up from there.
Warp: 6; Time: 53 h; Distance: > 5 ly
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In what way?Lucky wrote:That makes it sound like a there are a number of unnamed factors in determining travel times at warp.
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Lucky wrote: That makes it sound like a there are a number of unnamed factors in determining travel times at warp.
Picard would not have had reason to ask Data how long it would take to reach the Phelan system if the calculation was as simple as "Distance*Warp Factor=Travel Time". By asking Data, Picard implies that formula for determining travels at warp not simple math, and certainly has more then two variables.359 wrote: In what way?
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Even with a 'simple' equation as I used to relate warp factor and time, I would never want to do that in my head. Especially if I have someone sitting in front of me who both has access to and is a calculator. And that would assume I knew the exact distance there off the top of my head.
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But Picard could have asked the computer when he got the orders earlier, but did not. It isn't a smoking gun, but things like this paint a picture of warp travel times being variable based on what would have to be constantly changing factors much like sailing on a large body of water. We actually see a gravity wave smack into a Federation starship when when the Klingon Moon exploded359 wrote: Even with a 'simple' equation as I used to relate warp factor and time, I would never want to do that in my head. Especially if I have someone sitting in front of me who both has access to and is a calculator. And that would assume I knew the exact distance there off the top of my head.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thum ... 496&page=2Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country wrote: SULU: According to this we've completed our exploration of the entire sector.
(the ship begins to shudder and Sulu's teacup rattles off his table and breaks on the floor)
VALTANE: I have an energy wave from two hundred and forty degrees mark six port.
SULU: Visual! My ...God. ...Shields!
(an energy wave hits the ship throwing the crew about)
LOJUR (OC): Captain, she's not answering her helm.
SULU: Starboard thrusters. Turn her into the wave!
LOJUR: Aye.
SULU: Quarter impulse power! ...Damage report.
EXCELSIOR ENGINEER: Checking all systems, Captain.
SULU: Don't tell me that was any meteor shower.
VALTANE: Negative, sir. The subspace shockwave originated at bearing three two three, mark seven five. Location. It's Praxis, sir. It's a Klingon moon.
SULU: Praxis is their key energy production facility. ...Send to Klingon High Command. 'This is Excelsior, a Federation starship. We have monitored a large explosion in your sector. Do you require assistance?'
Even smaller waves could be things to take into consideration, and would help to explain why well mapped areas show far higher warp speeds.
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That is neither a smoking gun nor even a loaded one. In fact, it is a pastry.
The mere fact that a captain asks someone else for information is not evidence of anything other than that he asked for information. It is not his job to look that up. By that argument, the fact that he has someone else fly the ship should imply that subspace flight requires dodging dragons.
The mere fact that a captain asks someone else for information is not evidence of anything other than that he asked for information. It is not his job to look that up. By that argument, the fact that he has someone else fly the ship should imply that subspace flight requires dodging dragons.
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It is the captain's job to choose what course of action his minions will take, and to do that he needs to known things like travel times as soon as possible. To wait until his minions have already arrived for the meeting would be unprofessional. It destroys the illusion of the all knowing and wise captain.2046 wrote:That is neither a smoking gun nor even a loaded one. In fact, it is a pastry.
The mere fact that a captain asks someone else for information is not evidence of anything other than that he asked for information. It is not his job to look that up. By that argument, the fact that he has someone else fly the ship should imply that subspace flight requires dodging dragons.
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Do you really think asking the computer in his office is any harder then asking a disposable minion like Data?
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Picard would not view his officers as minions. They are the people there to do their jobs. By your claim, Picard should have known everything at every conference, such as the "Pen Pals" geoscience conference.
But hey, have it your way. In that case, I point to Kirk telling Chekov how his fuel consumption figures do not tally with his own ("The Enterprise Incident", IIRC), in which case you should conclude that Picard had probably already determined the travel time and was just making sure everyone's figures agreed.
But hey, have it your way. In that case, I point to Kirk telling Chekov how his fuel consumption figures do not tally with his own ("The Enterprise Incident", IIRC), in which case you should conclude that Picard had probably already determined the travel time and was just making sure everyone's figures agreed.
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very nice!2046 wrote:Picard would not view his officers as minions. They are the people there to do their jobs. By your claim, Picard should have known everything at every conference, such as the "Pen Pals" geoscience conference.
But hey, have it your way. In that case, I point to Kirk telling Chekov how his fuel consumption figures do not tally with his own ("The Enterprise Incident", IIRC), in which case you should conclude that Picard had probably already determined the travel time and was just making sure everyone's figures agreed.
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And the caring and noble Gru truly cares for his minions as well to the point he knows each by name. ^_^2046 wrote: Picard would not view his officers as minions. They are the people there to do their jobs. By your claim, Picard should have known everything at every conference, such as the "Pen Pals" geoscience conference.
The word minion has at least three different similar, but very different meanings. meanings.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/minion
You need to lighten-up a bit. You're taking this way too seriously.
I'm not sure this supports your arguement? Kirk seems to be asking what is going on NOW.2046 wrote: But hey, have it your way. In that case, I point to Kirk telling Chekov how his fuel consumption figures do not tally with his own ("The Enterprise Incident", IIRC), in which case you should conclude that Picard had probably already determined the travel time and was just making sure everyone's figures agreed.
Franchise: Star Trek Series: The Original Series Season: 03 Episode: 04 Title: The Enterprise Incident wrote: CHEKOV: I have completed the assignment, Captain. A theoretical incursion into
KIRK: Yes, Mister Chekov. I can read, and as usual your theoretical evaluations do not tally with mine. Return to your duty and I'll let you know when your work is satisfactory.
KIRK: Mister Spock. Full sensor scan of the region, please.
SPOCK: I did give a full report
KIRK: Yes, Mister Spock, that was the past. I'm concerned with the present. Or is it becoming too much for this crew to present me current information?
SPOCK; No, sir. Compliance presents no problem.
KIRK: Then, Mister Spock, comply.
SPOCK: Sensor scan to one half parsec. Negative, Captain.
KIRK: Very well.
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All other similar occurrences (for or against this notion) aside, would you ever try to solve a semi-complex mathematical equation in your head if you were standing behind a literal walking calculator, and one of his jobs is to get you this information by simply pressing several buttons.
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Star Trek computers take voice commands just like Data, but can be accessed anywhere on the ship.359 wrote:All other similar occurrences (for or against this notion) aside, would you ever try to solve a semi-complex mathematical equation in your head if you were standing behind a literal walking calculator, and one of his jobs is to get you this information by simply pressing several buttons.