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[Jedi Master Spock]

What the hell is this "a unit is not a clone" crap springing up again?

Found it. p46 of the SDN thread here Ender digs up the New Essential Guide to Droids and proceeds to make a high-spin interpretation. It's being considered fresh evidence contradicting Traviss's clone figures, although it only discusses droids.

I feel like an ass for saying this, given that you expended effort on the post, but . . . why was I supposed to care and/or be surprised about the products of some EU-phile SDN dude's autoerotic behavior? Such mental man-goo is par for the course over there.

Seriously, though, my only source of alarm was seeing folks seeming to ponder it here.

At this point, it does look like they're grasping at straws on SDN.

Really? Astonishing!

What terribly crude metaphors. You did ask, so I answered.

I think, for those of us willing to examine the EU, conditionally or generally, the question of whether or not LL has changed their editorial policies is one worth keeping an open mind on. Currently, for example, it seems pretty clear that for the foreseeable immediate future, clone numbers will be kept in the millions, and droid numbers will tend towards sub-trillion or ambiguous descriptions.

However, change remains quite possible, at any level of canon. Remember Greedo and Han? It would be quite foolish of us to close our minds to anything new happening to Star Wars.

At any moment, Lucas could decide it's time for a third live-action trilogy featuring Ewok pornography, a chibi pink Darth Vader clone hunting down droids that have been possessed by the malevolent ghost of the Emperor, and Han having the twins implanted in him for the last two trimesters for "security reasons." He could even ask William Shatner to do the soundtrack.

We could say it isn't Star Wars - but we certainly would have to reconsider what we're talking about when we, as silly Star Wars fanfolk interested in cross-universe VS scenarios, talk about what the fictional reality of Star Wars really is.

[2046]

As far as clone numbers, it is possible to make any number of guesses.

Starting with 200,000 and then followed by a million, we could assume that clone batches occur once every three months, and that production was being ramped up ten years ago until getting to full tilt within a year, so that:

200,000 are ready.
1,000,000 more are almost ready.
5,000,000 more will be ready in three months.
25,000,000 more will be ready in six months.
100,000,000 more will be ready in nine months.
100,000,000 more will be ready every three months thereafter.

In a three year engagement, this would give total clone numbers of 131,200,000 for the first year, and 400,000,000 each additional, for a total of just under a one trillion clones having been produced by the time the war ends, which would happen to approximately equal the population of Coruscant.

But of course, the above was based entirely on made up figures and assumptions with a nice pleasant coincidence tagged on at the end.

(Why three months? Why not one, or six, or 12? . . . Why full production in a year, and why the more or less constant increase by a factor of five-ish? Why not ten or two or 100?)

A lot of SDN analysis takes this form.

[Mith]

My only concern with the 1-3 million numbers is that the Republic's clones show a large lack of degree of being able to survive...

In any case, if we take a total of 3,000,000 clones for the entire war (not all at once sadly), then we get about 300,000,000 droids for the entire war, although that number is probably going to be around 100,000,000 droids given the circumstances.

[Mr. Oragahn]

In the EU, the kaminoans facilities were assaulted 2 months after the battle of Geonosis.
It would be most interesting, EU wise, to gauge how many effective clone troopers were present, and how many could be called back from various places in the galaxy and fought on Kamino. Yoda managed to bring a fleet there, after all.
However, this must have changed the course of clone production, due to some damage and losses in Tipoca City.

And yes, if anyone's counting, or actually read the Republic Commando books, which Ender is apparently allergic to, there are indeed many more ARCs than Alpha ARCs. Alphas were basically a prototype model for the subsequent ARC batches. Hence the distinct designation.

Well wookieepedia only cites the Nulls and Alphas.
12 Nulls were created, 6 survived the process. 100 Alphas were created with success.
I don't know details about other ARCs, if there are any, but it does rather seem that there were only two classes of ARCs.

[Jedi Master Spock]

Well wookieepedia only cites the Nulls and Alphas.
12 Nulls were created, 6 survived the process. 100 Alphas were created with success.
I don't know details about other ARCs, if there are any, but it does rather seem that there were only two classes of ARCs.

So Jango Fett personally trained the Alpha batch, as you see in the Wookieepedia article. Two of the main characters of the Republic Commando series are Mandalorian mercenaries tasked with training commandos; each one of them was more or less responsible for seeing a batch of 100 through the training sequence, much like Jango did with the Alpha batch.

I don't recall whether or not the Republic Commando series goes into greater detail on how many trainers were hired to turn out classes of commandos, or how many classes of 100 each trainer might train over time, but Traviss isn't exactly saying there are only 100 commandos running around the place.

[Mr. Oragahn]

This would need to be checked out, but thus far, it doesn't seem there are more than a hundred Alpha ARCs, and that's pretty much all the ARCs to exist beyond the 12 initial models.

On another note, here's something I typed in another post *somewhere*:

The time at which Dooku made that statement is most important.
The battle of Rugosa happened in 22 BY, so that's quite early in the war.
There is no way the republic could field a hundredth of several quadrillions in such little time, notably according to the numbers pointed out early in the war.