Eva Unit 01 versus the Imperial AT-AT

[Mike DiCenso]

So anime fans aren't vocal enough, eh? All right, let's give it a whirl by pitting the Neon Genesis Evangelion Eva Unit 01 (post S2 engine assimilation) against the Empire's finest ground attack vehicle, the AT-AT, one-on-one on the open glacier plains of Hoth. Neither combatant has the support of the other's military organizations, so no claiming ISD orbital bombardment, and no NERV organization assistance for Unit 01. Both combatants have their full weapon and crew compliments.

So who wins?
-Mike

[Trinoya]

Lets see here: The AT-AT stands about the height of say 20 meters or so. After looking at the EVAs (specifically the scene with one standing on top of an aircraft carrier) I'm guessing somewhere between 35-45 meters for an EVA, with potential from some shots for up to 50 meters (super high end folks) I think I'll go with a general estimate and say 40 meters.

Now then, the EVA certainly has the speed advantage... and frankly I think the entire argument boils down to the EVA being able to approach from the side and kick the AT-AT over.

Very much an unbalanced fight. I think the AT field is also a significant factor to deal with... sooooooooooooo... I'm gonna go side with the EVA here. ^_^

[Mr. Oragahn]

The EVA-01 has to approach the AT-AT, which has the advantage of ranged weapons until the radius is too short for the AT-AT to move fast enough or rotate its head.

EVA suits are fast, they're tough (they handle incredible shocks and other mystical sort of energy_imbued blades and spears.

For the first part of the engagement, it will be about if the AT-AT can land one or several max level shots on the EVA. It's hard to say, because the AT-ATs' main guns didn't aim at fast moving targets, and could only hit the snowspeeders flying in a suicidal linear frontal course.

An EVA suit is large, so an AT-AT could easily hit one over several kilometers, but what about an EVA that runs?

[Mike DiCenso]

Bear in mind this is the Eva Unit 01 here. It will not run out of power the way the other Evas will. Like all Eva units, Unit 01 does have long range weapons in the form of the rifle and pistol it has been seen carrying and using throughout the series.

For close range combat, the progressive knife could also be used for cutting through the AT-AT's armor. As for the weapons fire from the AT-AT, given the megawatt range of the blasters, I doubt it could get through the AT (All Terror) field of the Unit 01, especially since the AT field of the Angel Ramiel demonstrated a strength that only the positron sniper rifle with a beam of at least 180 gigawatts could penetrate.

And yes, if nothing else, the Unit 01 runs really fast so that the AT-AT is unable to get a bead on it, runs up behind or to the side of the walker, then either kicks it in the body, or kicks out the knee joints and knocks it over.
-Mike

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

I only really liked one anime(naruto) but I have watched an episode or two of Evangelion. There is no contest here as far as I see it. EVA man, EVA.

Now, how about the Ninja of Konoha against the Jedi? That might be fun.

[ILikeDeathNote]

Oh hey look you did it :)

AT-AT cannot penetrate EVA-01's AT field, EVA-01 wins.


Now, against a Death Star....

[Mike DiCenso]

Now, how about the Ninja of Konoha against the Jedi? That might be fun.

The Jedi from the movies or the over-the-top Jedi from the first Clone Wars animated series?
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

Now, against a Death Star....

Plenty of planet destroying stuff in anime and manga. If you want a match up that way, there are the planet destroyersfrom Gall Force, and the ability to destroy stars themselves, if need be. Their capital ships are on par in size with most of those seen in Star Wars.
-Mike

[ILikeDeathNote]

Now, against a Death Star....

Plenty of planet destroying stuff in anime and manga.

Ok.

Show me where there's explicitly a planet destroyer in Neon Genesis Evangelion.

The closest thing I can think of off the top of my head are those large black hole things that swallow stuff up, or maybe the Lance of Longinis might have a crapload of energy stored away somewhere, enough to blow up a planet.

[Mike DiCenso]

Nerv and SEELE possess Lilith and Adam, and have the potential of creating the Third Impact. The Second impact was powerful enough to obliterate Antarctica and 2 billion people in the Southern Hemisphere.

They also have access to the S2 engines, that power the Angels and later the Unit 01. An accident with one of these engines during an attempted installation that the Nerv-2 base in Nevada caused everything to be utterly wiped out for nearly 90 km.
-Mike

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

I was thinking EU Jedi, which are much more capable than in the two trilogies, but still realistic, in that they can be taken down and are often injured after a fight with a yuuzhan vong or two. Okay, it usually takes 5 or more yuuzhan vong to injure the high end Jedi. Anyway, EU jedi. More specifically, NJO jedi.

But if I had to choose one of your options, I suppose it would be the Jedi from the prequel movies. But, I would prefer a better fight for the Ninja of Konoha, and would go for the EU.

[ILikeDeathNote]

Nerv and SEELE possess Lilith and Adam, and have the potential of creating the Third Impact. The Second impact was powerful enough to obliterate Antarctica and 2 billion people in the Southern Hemisphere.

You should read your own links, as it says nothing about Third Impact being an explosion or energy release. Third Impact caused everyone to explode into Tang(R), not a massive exothermic explosion (or any visible energy release, for that matter, unless that was the Tang(R) process).

Second Impact was hardly a planet-destroying event, either.

They also have access to the S2 engines, that power the Angels and later the Unit 01. An accident with one of these engines during an attempted installation that the Nerv-2 base in Nevada caused everything to be utterly wiped out for nearly 90 km.
-Mike

Which once again was not a planet-destroying effect, not to mention, that was that black hole thingie I talked about, not an energy release.

[Mike DiCenso]

You should read your own links, as it says nothing about Third Impact being an explosion or energy release. Third Impact caused everyone to explode into Tang(R), not a massive exothermic explosion (or any visible energy release, for that matter, unless that was the Tang(R) process).

Second Impact was hardly a planet-destroying event, either.

You missed the point, and you have missed a good deal of Evangelion, too. Third Impact was not shown actually since what really happened was closer to Human Instrumentality. Or rather neither as Shinji chose to return Humanity to Earth in the form of the LCL sea. Lord only knows what you can make out of the gigantic Rei-Lilith-Adam-Kaworu thing seen rising several tens of kilometers high above the Earth's surface.

And if you can figure out "End of Evangelion 's f--ked up take on things, please let all the rest of us know.

As for Second Impact, it did set off an explosive-like event as we see in Misato Katsuragi throughout the series. Is that by itself a total planet destroying event? No. But it does give an indication of what the Angels or anything derived from them can do as that was a continent destroying event.

They also have access to the S2 engines, that power the Angels and later the Unit 01. An accident with one of these engines during an attempted installation that the Nerv-2 base in Nevada caused everything to be utterly wiped out for nearly 90 km.
-Mike

Which once again was not a planet-destroying effect, not to mention, that was that black hole thingie I talked about, not an energy release.

We didn't see it, and it was only speculated that what happened was a Sea of Dirac event. In any event, it doesn't matter the mechanism, it is a very powerful thing that can, if utilized in sufficent amounts, destroy a planet or large moon.
-Mike

[ILikeDeathNote]

You missed the point, and you have missed a good deal of Evangelion, too. Third Impact was not shown actually since what really happened was closer to Human Instrumentality. Or rather neither as Shinji chose to return Humanity to Earth in the form of the LCL sea. Lord only knows what you can make out of the gigantic Rei-Lilith-Adam-Kaworu thing seen rising several tens of kilometers high above the Earth's surface.

And if you can figure out "End of Evangelion 's f--ked up take on things, please let all the rest of us know.

Ummm...oh...kay.

The problem with Evangelion is that it just isn't clear. The Wikipedia link you posted stated that SEELE, NERV and Gendo were trying to create Third Impact, because Third Impact = Instrumentality. That was the whole point of getting the Lance of Longinis in the first place. The Lance of Longinis and either an Angel or an EVA unit is necessary for Third Impact.

Maybe you're taking it too literal, as most of Evangelion is meant to be symbolic in meaning. The First Impact, according to some sources, can refer to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Going along with this theme, Second Impact doesn't refer to any catastrophic event, but the awakening of Adam; it just so happens to be that Second Impact's consequence was catastrophic. And thus, Third Impact is Instrumentality, plain and simple. Of course, that is just one interpretation, and thanks to how confusing Evangelion is, it's difficult to throw out any as invalid.

As for Second Impact, it did set off an explosive-like event as we see in Misato Katsuragi throughout the series. Is that by itself a total planet destroying event? No. But it does give an indication of what the Angels or anything derived from them can do as that was a continent destroying event.

Do we actually see the Second Impact in question? I was always under the impression that most of the damage done by Second Impact was as a result of melting most of the ice in Antactica, thus sinking a lot of land (which would explain why a lot of Japan is apparently underwater).

In the series, the movie that's playing in the theater during that once scene mentions that there was a microscopic asteroid that was too small to be detected, yet was traveling at a very high fraction of c, was responsible for Second Impact. Of course, that detail is largely irrelevant as it's clearly just a cover.

We didn't see it, and it was only speculated that what happened was a Sea of Dirac event. In any event, it doesn't matter the mechanism, it is a very powerful thing that can, if utilized in sufficent amounts, destroy a planet or large moon.
-Mike

That's true, but I doubt the awakening of Adam is something that can be done repeatedly for use as a weapon.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just realized you're talking about the incident in Nevada I quoted, though the above sentence still holds true.

The mechanism actually does matter because it's a matter of scalability - not of the event, but of the device that produces the event. How large of an S2 engine is needed to make a Sea of Dirac that can swallow the whole Earth? Is it something even practical? Clearly, the Nevada incident proves that replicating a controlled Sea of Durac event is something possible only for Angels.

Not to mention, Shinji himself proved that a Sea of Durac is not a destructive event. Otherwise, the series would've ended right there pretty much.

[Mike DiCenso]

Do we actually see the Second Impact in question? I was always under the impression that most of the damage done by Second Impact was as a result of melting most of the ice in Antactica, thus sinking a lot of land (which would explain why a lot of Japan is apparently underwater).

In the series, the movie that's playing in the theater during that once scene mentions that there was a microscopic asteroid that was too small to be detected, yet was traveling at a very high fraction of c, was responsible for Second Impact. Of course, that detail is largely irrelevant as it's clearly just a cover.

It is a cover, however that cover explanation is an interesting one since the effects are rather remarkably similar in nature. And yes, part of Second Impact are shown, mostly through flashback, but also we see this interesting bit as shown at time index 7:08 in this YouTube video of Gendo Ikari's spaceplane transport flying near the glowing remains of Antarctica. The rest of the video has a partial explanation, and yes, there was an explosion.

We didn't see it, and it was only speculated that what happened was a Sea of Dirac event. In any event, it doesn't matter the mechanism, it is a very powerful thing that can, if utilized in sufficent amounts, destroy a planet or large moon.
-Mike

That's true, but I doubt the awakening of Adam is something that can be done repeatedly for use as a weapon.

Yeah, but Third Impact was what they were trying to prevent, or rather happen in a way that would result in Instrumentality. If the Angels had succeeded, it would have wiped out Humanity utterly.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just realized you're talking about the incident in Nevada I quoted, though the above sentence still holds true.

The mechanism actually does matter because it's a matter of scalability - not of the event, but of the device that produces the event. How large of an S2 engine is needed to make a Sea of Dirac that can swallow the whole Earth? Is it something even practical? Clearly, the Nevada incident proves that replicating a controlled Sea of Durac event is something possible only for Angels

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We don't know that it was a Sea of Dirac that was created by the S2 engine incident in Nevada. That was only speculation by characters in the story. But the destructive potential was very clear.

Not to mention, Shinji himself proved that a Sea of Durac is not a destructive event. Otherwise, the series would've ended right there pretty much.

It was a very special set of circumstances that allowed Shinji to survive at all, and there is little proof that what happened in Nevada and with Shinji and the Angel Leliel are related in terms of effects.
-Mike