ICS: Good Representation of the SW Universe?

[Mr. Oragahn]

I doubt that. It might be possible for the mods and admin of SDN to trace back the no-voters by their ISPs. But why?
-Mike

Because to say no to ICS is heresy in SDN is an affront to them and they will never, ever tolerate such dissent. At best they will be blacklisted at worst they will be immediately banned.

You're pushing things, really. You practically have zero chance of hitting home if you intent to show the flaws of the ICSes, but I don't think it will be rewarded by an immediate ban.
However, you'll probably get your name/nickname shat upon, and you'll probably end in their hall of shame or else, so it's of no use.
I'm reading their replies, notably Ender's and his tireless bile, and I don't think they'll ever even consider the possibility of poking an eye and see what happens in the outside world, if only to actually put up their arguments against people who disagree with them, in a place where the debate can occur.

[Mike DiCenso]

Because to say no to ICS is heresy in SDN is an affront to them and they will never, ever tolerate such dissent. At best they will be blacklisted at worst they will be immediately banned.

I see no way, unless the no-voters openly state who they are, that any of them will be banned simply because they voted "No" on the poll. I know of know immediate and easy way that their vote can be tracked back to them.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Because to say no to ICS is heresy in SDN is an affront to them and they will never, ever tolerate such dissent. At best they will be blacklisted at worst they will be immediately banned.

I see no way, unless the no-voters openly state who they are, that any of them will be banned simply because they voted "No" on the poll. I know of know immediate and easy way that their vote can be tracked back to them.
-Mike

Wrong poster I'm afraid. :)

[l33telboi]

Well Ender did immediatly jump on Murazor just because he said no, saying he needs to prove his point even if the OP in question stricktly said no to debate. He seemed to realize just how that came off a little later though since he simmered down.

Still... it was somewhat interesting to see.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Roughly 20% of the posters at SBC said yes.
It's tiring, though, to see Leo1, nightmare and CPL_Facehugger bring the same old arguments despite the discussions which already went on, notably the threeparter ICS thread (like Dankayo, nevermind I posted a link to an old SBC thread about the BDZ order and Dankayo which addressed this nonsense).
Between reboot and stalling, we know why there is nothing to expect from them.
It's the usual method of counting on people forgetting past arguments and the fact that they always bowed out, to restart the whole thing perhaps one or two years later with absolutely not a single new argument.

It is interesting to see what's the prime motivator behind their beliefs, namely that because things were big and impressive on screen, then teraton.
It's a curious form of denial, the denial of a vast bulk of material that paints a picture which looks to be nothing more than nBSG with lazorz and lightswords, more fantasy, a bigger scale and a taste of deep ravines.

[PunkMaister]

Roughly 20% of the posters at SBC said yes.
It's tiring, though, to see Leo1, nightmare and CPL_Facehugger bring the same old arguments despite the discussions which already went on, notably the threeparter ICS thread (like Dankayo, nevermind I posted a link to an old SBC thread about the BDZ order and Dankayo which addressed this nonsense).
Between reboot and stalling, we know why there is nothing to expect from them.
It's the usual method of counting on people forgetting past arguments and the fact that they always bowed out, to restart the whole thing perhaps one or two years later with absolutely not a single new argument.

It is interesting to see what's the prime motivator behind their beliefs, namely that because things were big and impressive on screen, then teraton.
It's a curious form of denial, the denial of a vast bulk of material that paints a picture which looks to be nothing more than nBSG with lazorz and lightswords, more fantasy, a bigger scale and a taste of deep ravines.

SDN is basically like a cult in which Wong is and acts like the cult leader so their attitudes should come as no surprise...

[ILikeDeathNote]

It's tiring, though, to see Leo1, nightmare and CPL_Facehugger bring the same old arguments despite the discussions which already went on

I take it these three are usual troublemakers on SBC?

[PunkMaister]

It's tiring, though, to see Leo1, nightmare and CPL_Facehugger bring the same old arguments despite the discussions which already went on

I take it these three are usual troublemakers on SBC?

Face hugger is the one that locked a vs thread just on that account yes sadly he is a mod back at SB.

[Mr. Oragahn]

It's tiring, though, to see Leo1, nightmare and CPL_Facehugger bring the same old arguments despite the discussions which already went on

I take it these three are usual troublemakers on SBC?

Depends what you mean by trouble, but in a way, it's exact that them and some others represent the ICS defense line at SBC, and Face was more than button happy when it came to shut ICS threads in the past, and menace to do so but let people make fools of themselves.

Reading at it, again, page 5, Leo1 is back again with his accusations of creative interpretation about Dankayo, focusing on this case only.
Even if he was right, which he is not, one would point out the other EU references disagreeing with his interpretation, or even that the movies and the clone wars series show nothing of this, quite the contrary.

Now, if you allow me, I'd like to present you an exclusive leaked composition for the next "Star Wars: Ultimate Cross Sections", which in my opinion pretty much sums Saxton's contribution to the Expanded Universe...







Potentially +18 content, pictures initially provided for educational purposes, hacked for satire & lols.

[PunkMaister]

Depends what you mean by trouble, but in a way, it's exact that them and some others represent the ICS defense line at SBC, and Face was more than button happy when it came to shut ICS threads in the past, and menace to do so but let people make fools of themselves.

Reading at it, again, page 5, Leo1 is back again with his accusations of creative interpretation about Dankayo, focusing on this case only.
Even if he was right, which he is not, one would point out the other EU references disagreeing with his interpretation, or even that the movies and the clone wars series show nothing of this, quite the contrary.

Now, if you allow me, I'd like to present you an exclusive leaked composition for the next "Star Wars: Ultimate Cross Sections", which in my opinion pretty much sums Saxton's contribution to the Expanded Universe...







Potentially +18 content, pictures initially provided for educational purposes, hacked for satire & lols.

LOL at that weapon! You know it should be name the Ubber Wanka Dildo because that is exactly what the damn thing looks like!

[Flectarn]

Now, if you allow me, I'd like to present you an exclusive leaked composition for the next "Star Wars: Ultimate Cross Sections", which in my opinion pretty much sums Saxton's contribution to the Expanded Universe...







Potentially +18 content, pictures initially provided for educational purposes, hacked for satire & lols.

brilliant, you make that?

[ILikeDeathNote]

Depends what you mean by trouble, but in a way, it's exact that them and some others represent the ICS defense line at SBC, and Face was more than button happy when it came to shut ICS threads in the past, and menace to do so but let people make fools of themselves.

Reading at it, again, page 5, Leo1 is back again with his accusations of creative interpretation about Dankayo, focusing on this case only.
Even if he was right, which he is not, one would point out the other EU references disagreeing with his interpretation, or even that the movies and the clone wars series show nothing of this, quite the contrary.

Now, if you allow me, I'd like to present you an exclusive leaked composition for the next "Star Wars: Ultimate Cross Sections", which in my opinion pretty much sums Saxton's contribution to the Expanded Universe...

This only serves to strengthen my conviction that SBC is almost as bad, and perhaps some ways worse, than SDN.

[Mr. Oragahn]

This only serves to strengthen my conviction that SBC is almost as bad, and perhaps some ways worse, than SDN.

I don't think I'd agree. SBC is more a kind of board which swings from one side to the other, depending on the consensus adopted by the mods of the time.
Most interesting, regarding the ICS topic and Skyzeta's recent decision to ban all No-ICS threads, is how some members suggest identifying those who come into ICS-free threads and derail them into discussions about the ICS.

Skyzeta's decision is apparently backed up by a garland of such threads which almost always quickly turned into turd howling parades, but if Skyzeta has a "black list" of such threads to prove his point, then we could see who are the culprits, be they pro or anti ICS, and see if it was done on purpose or not.
See, it was very easy to drop a remark in an ICS-free thread for the mere fact that many see the ICS as a burden to the debate, and the loud gasping would often push people to pick the occasion to slide a commentary or two about that ICS, and that probably without even realizing how it would poison the thread.

But if anything, the same thread at SBC has pointed out and made official what many were already aware of.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Interesting. SDN's mirror thread has seen a significant growth of the NO side:

Yes...75% [ 36 ]
No... 25% [ 12 ]

[ILikeDeathNote]

This only serves to strengthen my conviction that SBC is almost as bad, and perhaps some ways worse, than SDN.

I don't think I'd agree. SBC is more a kind of board which swings from one side to the other, depending on the consensus adopted by the mods of the time.
Most interesting, regarding the ICS topic and Skyzeta's recent decision to ban all No-ICS threads, is how some members suggest identifying those who come into ICS-free threads and derail them into discussions about the ICS.

Actually this is exactly what I'm talking about. If board opinion swings depending on what the mods think/say, that tells me that something's wrong. And as you can see from the last statement above, this kind of behavior almost begs for trolling, because now you have people derailing other topics to talk about a banned topic.

This is an atrocious way to run a board, and it seems like SDN is quite preferable.

Skyzeta's decision is apparently backed up by a garland of such threads which almost always quickly turned into turd howling parades, but if Skyzeta has a "black list" of such threads to prove his point, then we could see who are the culprits, be they pro or anti ICS, and see if it was done on purpose or not.
See, it was very easy to drop a remark in an ICS-free thread for the mere fact that many see the ICS as a burden to the debate, and the loud gasping would often push people to pick the occasion to slide a commentary or two about that ICS, and that probably without even realizing how it would poison the thread.

Pretty much exactly. This place is great because we don't have any of that nonsense. Want to discuss the ICS? We have several open threads on that topic, including this very thread!