Star Wars: Fighters vs Capital Ships revisited

[Who is like God arbour]

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Look do you have any proof that she knows what she's doing or not?

A prima facie evidence is sufficient, if not rebutted, to prove a particular proposition or fact.

Basically you have to assume, that someone knows what he or she does unless you can't prove the contrary.

You claim, that Amidala is incompetent and would not consult more experienced people.

Prove, that she doesn't know, what she is doing!

With all due respect, I am still waiting.

What is your proof, that Amidala doesn't have known, what she was doing?

[Gandalf]

With all due respect, I am still waiting.

What is your proof, that Amidala doesn't have known, what she was doing?

The fact that she had no military training and that Qui Gon Jinn advised her against attacking the Trade Federation vessel.

[Dragoon]

With all due respect, I am still waiting.

What is your proof, that Amidala doesn't have known, what she was doing?

The fact that she had no military training and that Qui Gon Jinn advised her against attacking the Trade Federation vessel.

Of course, Qui-Gon has no military training either. He's a Jedi, not a military leader.

[Mike DiCenso]

Here's the threads where SW and ST firepower are looked at on this forum:


www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60

Very well.

www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144


The second provides a link to 2046's work on his ST-V-SW.Net site. The first one has an essay by your's truely dealing with the flaws in Brian Young's Turbolaser Commentaries, among other things.

But take a look there, and then we can go into the particulars of calculations.
-Mike

Darkstar? Give me a break, he's notoriously full of it.

Excuse me? Did you even read the article, or did you just dismiss it out of hand because he comes to a conclusion you don't like? What about what he wrote in the article that you find "full of it"? His calculations of 7-10 MT for a Republic-era TL's firepower is actually fairly generous, especially since low gigajoule and terajoule firepower is what the TESB asteroid destruction and the RoTS Slave-I Geonosis asteroid destruction are showing us.
-Mike

[Gandalf]

Of course, Qui-Gon has no military training either. He's a Jedi, not a military leader.

If the Jedi have no military training then why are they leading the Clone Wars?

[Dragoon]

Of course, Qui-Gon has no military training either. He's a Jedi, not a military leader.

If the Jedi have no military training then why are they leading the Clone Wars?

Maybe it's because they can deflect blaster bolts and slice and dice people with their nifty lightsabers. They're warriors, not military tacticians. After all, there's no on-screen evidence to show that Qui-Gon knew what he was talking about either. They were probably just giving the Jedi ranks for morale purposes.

[Gandalf]

Excuse me? Did you even read the article, or did you just dismiss it out of hand because he comes to a conclusion you don't like? What about what he wrote in the article that you find "full of it"? His calculations of 7-10 MT for a Republic-era TL's firepower is actually fairly generous, especially since low gigajoule and terajoule firepower is what the TESB asteroid destruction and the RoTS Slave-I Geonosis asteroid destruction are what the showing us.
-Mike

The man is mentally unbalanced and it's well known that he BS'd his way through his debate with Darth Wong. Add to that his complete lack of scientific training and that leads me to the conclusion that if he were to say that the sky was blue I'd check first.

[Gandalf]

Maybe it's because they can deflect blaster bolts and slice and dice people with their nifty lightsabers. They're warriors, not military tacticians. After all, there's no on-screen evidence to show that Qui-Gon knew what he was talking about either. They were probably just giving the Jedi ranks for morale purposes.

Cute.

[Gandalf]

Maybe it's because they can deflect blaster bolts and slice and dice people with their nifty lightsabers. They're warriors, not military tacticians. After all, there's no on-screen evidence to show that Qui-Gon knew what he was talking about either. They were probably just giving the Jedi ranks for morale purposes.

And you some how think that ability adds meaningful combat ability to a clone division?

[Dragoon]

Maybe it's because they can deflect blaster bolts and slice and dice people with their nifty lightsabers. They're warriors, not military tacticians. After all, there's no on-screen evidence to show that Qui-Gon knew what he was talking about either. They were probably just giving the Jedi ranks for morale purposes.

And you some how think that ability adds meaningful combat ability to a clone division?

Sure. It's nice to have a super-soldieresque fighter with you, who can throw enemy troops around with a gesture. It's also intimidating to the enemy to realize that you're not just facing clones, you're facing jedi (who are feared and respected throughout the galaxy at this point in history.

[Gandalf]

Sure. It's nice to have a super-soldieresque fighter with you, who can throw enemy troops around with a gesture. It's also intimidating to the enemy to realize that you're not just facing clones, you're facing jedi (who are feared and respected throughout the galaxy at this point in history.

Except the enemy are droids.

[Dragoon]

Sure. It's nice to have a super-soldieresque fighter with you, who can throw enemy troops around with a gesture. It's also intimidating to the enemy to realize that you're not just facing clones, you're facing jedi (who are feared and respected throughout the galaxy at this point in history.

Except the enemy are droids.

Who do seem to show some sort of emotion in the movies and seem to be able to assess tactical situations. After all, I believe one of them uttered "uh-oh" when Obi and Qui-Gon emerge the gas-flooded room

[Dragoon]

Excuse me? Did you even read the article, or did you just dismiss it out of hand because he comes to a conclusion you don't like? What about what he wrote in the article that you find "full of it"? His calculations of 7-10 MT for a Republic-era TL's firepower is actually fairly generous, especially since low gigajoule and terajoule firepower is what the TESB asteroid destruction and the RoTS Slave-I Geonosis asteroid destruction are what the showing us.
-Mike

The man is mentally unbalanced and it's well known that he BS'd his way through his debate with Darth Wong. Add to that his complete lack of scientific training and that leads me to the conclusion that if he were to say that the sky was blue I'd check first.

You still haven't addressed his arguement.

[Gandalf]

Who do seem to show some sort of emotion in the movies and seem to be able to assess tactical situations. After all, I believe one of them uttered "uh-oh" when Obi and Qui-Gon emerge the gas-flooded room

Which didn't seem to affect their combat performance, crappy though it is.

[Gandalf]

You still haven't addressed his arguement.

What's to address, the man has clearly lost his marbles. And it calls in to question the nature of his analysis.