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Re: My recently started blog - need suggestions

Post by Lucky » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:43 pm

Picard wrote:For trench scaling, I scaled bolt at closest point to trench I was able to find.

About 12 teraton torpedo yields, I done that calculation beacouse of "Die is Cast", which actually gives petaton-level yield, if we take dialogue literally. Link is here. I was interested how large yield might be scientifically achieveable for photon torpedoes - if you read "Episode evidence" section, you will see that anti-ship torpedoes are around 21.5 gigatons (original calculation gave 2.2 gigatons, but I did not include some very important things in my calculation so it was off by HUGE margin). Given that phasers are rated at gigatons per second, and that outdated D-5 was able to pull off low-gigaton shots, it is actually reasonable - much more reasonable than 2.2 gigaton estimate which would mean that phaser is more powerful in one second than photon torpedo. I am not big fan of theory that phasers operate primarly by NDF, beacouse phasers are often - too often - used against shielded ships and objects. However, I have no idea how large amount of phaser-versus-solid object is attributed by NDF, but shipboard "disruptors" in ST Generations seemed to be pure DEW.

In end I scrapped super-deuterium estimations in favour of episode evidence, beacouse, not only episode evidence is more canon than such "what if" guessing (that guessing is not canon at all but is really fun), but we never see such yields in ship-to-ship or asteroid destruction events (it would be logical that asteroid destruction is done by ship-to-ship torpedoes, as asteroids are relatively small and mostly mobile objects).

And I do have *some* enthusiasm for large numbers, but I won't artificially produce large number if on-screen/dialogue/novelization/script evidence does not support it or even contradict it.

For super-deuterium, I am not sure, but I think? I gave link in that post. If I did not, I will have to include it.


EDIT: I did not include link originally, but I did update both "UFP photon torpedo yield" and "Warp core" pages in order to include that link.
You may want to use a term other then super-deuterium. Perhaps a term that if googled will quickly lead to an article about what you are talking about?

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Re: My recently started blog - need suggestions

Post by Picard » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:36 am

I just googled "super-deuterium" and pages I used are at top - first two results. 3rd result is my blog.

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Post by Picard » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:38 am

Plus I included link at end of "UFP photon torpedo yield" page.

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Post by Lucky » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:44 am

Picard wrote:I just googled "super-deuterium" and pages I used are at top - first two results. 3rd result is my blog.


Why do you use the term "super-deuterium" when you mean "ultra-dense deuterium"? It makes what you are trying to say much clearer if you use proper terminology.

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Post by Picard » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:46 pm

I found that term somwhere and I got used to it.

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Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:36 pm

Lucky wrote:
One such way is to assume the bombardment we see went on for longer then we are shown.
Doubtful consideing no cut scene ect, and the comments about it being the "opening volley" and "first barage" that destroyed 30% of the planetary crust.

Not only that but when he gives the order to open fire we see the entire barage fired and hit a undamaged planet from the start to when we see it finish and the report comes in.
Lucky wrote:Another is to assume they used weapons like gravimetric warheads in their torpedos.
Perhaps but it still shows petaton effective dmg.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:23 pm

The thing people keep missing is not only are there are no cutscenes, but the damage in the form of the explosions and shockwaves continue well after the bombardment ceases as seen here in this video from 3:25 to 4:16.
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Post by Lucky » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:17 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:The thing people keep missing is not only are there are no cutscenes, but the damage in the form of the explosions and shockwaves continue well after the bombardment ceases as seen here in this video from 3:25 to 4:16.
-Mike
Which would be at least somewhat consistent with the creation of Super-Volcanos?

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:24 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:The thing people keep missing is not only are there are no cutscenes, but the damage in the form of the explosions and shockwaves continue well after the bombardment ceases as seen here in this video from 3:25 to 4:16.
-Mike
Which would be at least somewhat consistent with the creation of Super-Volcanos?
No, only with Wells of Insanity.

In defense on TDiC

TDiC + Magma = Brainbug?

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:38 am

Those two threads discussions and conclusions seem to mesh fairly well with the idea of large holes punched through the planet's crust. Is there some particular point, other than maybe the visual FX using nitrogen at the time was really cheap ass?
-Mike

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Post by Lucky » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:27 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Lucky wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:The thing people keep missing is not only are there are no cutscenes, but the damage in the form of the explosions and shockwaves continue well after the bombardment ceases as seen here in this video from 3:25 to 4:16.
-Mike
Which would be at least somewhat consistent with the creation of Super-Volcanos?
No, only with Wells of Insanity.

In defense on TDiC

TDiC + Magma = Brainbug?
Could you be more specific? Just posting a link to a thread is not really an answer, and it does not change the fact that stuff was coming out of big hole in the ground, and looked kind of like what I would at least imagine a super-volcano to look like from above.

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Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:17 am

The atmosphere seemed very dense and dark in the first place on the founder homeworld.

The only example i have seen of a super volcano is from stargate and in that we saw a initial flash/light then just billowing clouds of dust ect expanding quite slowly compared to those in TDIC.

Now if you remove the hot magma exploding from the super volcano that caused the light/flash and take into account the dense atmosphere the darker background and the larger area of effect and multiple hits in TDIC i do not think there is a vast differance.

7:15ish onwards

Ok i know stargate atlantis is hardly a example of a perfect research tool for how things would actually be in regards to a super volcano but its the only referance i could think of and it seems to match most of the theories regarding what it would look like.

If its totally inacurate let me know.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:42 pm

Lucky wrote:Could you be more specific? Just posting a link to a thread is not really an answer, and it does not change the fact that stuff was coming out of big hole in the ground, and looked kind of like what I would at least imagine a super-volcano to look like from above.
I can't be more specific than giving two threads which deal with the subject. I don't feel like debating it again until I see something new worth it. Hence the two links for the moment, because I believe everything's in there.
It's a whole thing, you're not going to pick a piece in particular.

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Post by Picard » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:41 pm

So, "Die is Cast" definetly is not DEW event, but we don't know what it is.

I am still more inclined towards chain reaction - "destroying crust" and "destroying mantle" are usually not terms associated with volcano eruptions. About visual evidence, I would say it is inconclusive.

http://www.wholistichealingresearch.com ... kErupt.jpg

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