Star Wars: Fighters vs Capital Ships revisited

For polite and reasoned discussion of Star Wars and/or Star Trek.
GStone
Starship Captain
Posts: 1016
Joined: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:16 am
Location: Undercover in Culture space

Post by GStone » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:51 am

I talked about the N-1s and we're allowed some sniping. They talk thread after thread about us, but they don't wanna say it to our faces. We stay in the open play area and they stay up in their 'you must pay first' clubhouse.

User avatar
AnonymousRedShirtEnsign
Jedi Knight
Posts: 380
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:05 pm
Location: Six feet under the surface of some alien world

Post by AnonymousRedShirtEnsign » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:51 am

It still doesn't mean we should use any opportunity available to ridicule SDN or make derogatory remarks about its users, and yes it is rather juvenile. Though paying to debate at a place where my arguments will be dismissed be I don't think the ICS is representative of Star Wars holds no appeal to me.

Jedi Master Spock
Site Admin
Posts: 2166
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:26 pm
Contact:

Post by Jedi Master Spock » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:48 am

I try to discourage sniping. Of course, I do take issue with our forum and SDN being compared in ways I think inaccurate.

And if this thread doesn't get smartly back on topic and stay there, I'm getting out the hedge clippers and splitting pieces of it into the Other Websites section.

l33telboi, if you were about to say something, you forgot. Please do continue...

User avatar
Mr. Oragahn
Admiral
Posts: 6865
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:58 am
Location: Paradise Mountain

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:33 am

Again, to sum up the deal about that dish.

First, the N-1 fire torpedoes at the TF ship. One or two are seen hitting the ship (that may be in fact all you can expect to see in the film about torpedoes fired at the capital ship). Then one fighter from that squadron fires a torpedoe at the tip of the dish, and big boom. Fighters fly through the fireball.
It's a very big one, suggesting that something blew up, especially when compared to the size of the fireball when a torpedoe hit the top of the spherical core two seconds earlier, or even more when compared to Anakin's shot at the auxiliary generators.

Then later on, there's a pursuit between Anakin and the droids. They pass near the central bridge, and it does look like the dish is still there.

Then, again, later on, we get to see the left side of the bridge tower, but it seems that the dish is gone.

If that's true, it would mean that the dish survived the attack, and it was either left there and destroyed by a second attack, or folded in by some mechanical system.

I don't know why this doesn't draw more interest from people considering that it's about one of the rare cases of fighters engaging a much more important target, and yet possibly managing to damage it.

User avatar
l33telboi
Starship Captain
Posts: 910
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:15 am
Location: Finland

Post by l33telboi » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:04 am

Jedi Master Spock wrote:l33telboi, if you were about to say something, you forgot. Please do continue...
Actually, i did say what i was about to. It was just that i didn't have a whole lot to say. :P

The fighters bringing down the Endar Spire in Knights of the Old Republic was what i was trying to bring forth. It might not be significant, but i thought it might be worth mentioning. It is an incident where fighters down a capital ship in SW-verse in any case and it's not part of game mechanics.

As for when i get home, i'll try to grab some screens of what Mr. O is talking about. Can't remember the incident offhand, but it sounds interesting.

User avatar
Praeothmin
Jedi Master
Posts: 3920
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:24 pm
Location: Quebec City

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:55 pm

The fighters bringing down the Endar Spire in Knights of the Old Republic was what i was trying to bring forth. It might not be significant, but i thought it might be worth mentioning. It is an incident where fighters down a capital ship in SW-verse in any case and it's not part of game mechanics.
I believe it was on SB that someone pointed out that we didn't know if it had been engaged by any heavy cruisers prior to the fighters' attack on it though, so it may not be applicable...

User avatar
l33telboi
Starship Captain
Posts: 910
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:15 am
Location: Finland

Post by l33telboi » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:07 pm

Praeothmin wrote:I believe it was on SB that someone pointed out that we didn't know if it had been engaged by any heavy cruisers prior to the fighters' attack on it though, so it may not be applicable...
The attack was said to happen quite fast and no time during the attack do we see any cruisers. You yourself are present from the get-go of the attack of course, so there's not really any cause to think there's been a previous assault.

Neither are there any such vessels present during the "BDZ:ing" of Taris, which one would expect if they really were present.

To me at least, there seems to be nothing even hinting at any larger cap ships being present. And even if there was, it was the fighters that finally brought the ship down, meaning that they are indeed effective (at least in some degree) against capital ships.

But it's been some time since i played the game, so i could be missing some key detail.

User avatar
AnonymousRedShirtEnsign
Jedi Knight
Posts: 380
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:05 pm
Location: Six feet under the surface of some alien world

Post by AnonymousRedShirtEnsign » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:01 pm

I don't know when the Laviathon got to Taris, but it was at least part of the BDZ opperation (it took hours to get the fleet into position, which seems odd since they should already be disperced rather evenly to effectively blockade the planet). But I do agree that the fighters brought down the Endar Spire on their own.

Later on in the game, if you choose to be a Dark Side character, Sith fighters are what goes and decimates master Vandar's fleet, not the battleships.

User avatar
l33telboi
Starship Captain
Posts: 910
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:15 am
Location: Finland

Post by l33telboi » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:15 pm

AnonymousRedShirtEnsign wrote:I don't know when the Laviathon got to Taris, but it was at least part of the BDZ opperation (it took hours to get the fleet into position, which seems odd since they should already be disperced rather evenly to effectively blockade the planet).
Are you sure there were other vessels involved in the BDZ:ing at all? I seriously can't recall anything other then the Leviathan being present. Oh well, shoddy memory on my part perhaps.

User avatar
AnonymousRedShirtEnsign
Jedi Knight
Posts: 380
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:05 pm
Location: Six feet under the surface of some alien world

Post by AnonymousRedShirtEnsign » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:57 pm

We don't see any other ships, but there really wouldn't be much purpose in redeploying the fleet unless they are going to take out the city/continent. I don't think that they would be waiting several hours to destroy the planet unless they were getting ready to do so, especially since Malak seemed very worried about killing Bastila as quickly as possible. So, unless the Sith are retarded, yes there were other ships involved in the BDZ of Taris.

User avatar
Praeothmin
Jedi Master
Posts: 3920
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:24 pm
Location: Quebec City

Post by Praeothmin » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:23 pm

The mere mention of a fleet does imply other capital ships were present, or the order would been like:
"Deploy all fighters!" instead of "Deploy the Flet!"

User avatar
Mr. Oragahn
Admiral
Posts: 6865
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:58 am
Location: Paradise Mountain

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:58 pm

Does anyone own the prequel DVDs to take a couple of shots from the events of TPM?
Notably, the three impacts of torpedoes fired from the outside of the TF ship, including the dish, plus the two other scenes I've mentionned to see if said dish was destroyed or not?

User avatar
Mr. Oragahn
Admiral
Posts: 6865
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:58 am
Location: Paradise Mountain

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:59 pm

Does anyone own the prequel DVDs to take a couple of shots from the events of TPM?
Notably, the three impacts of torpedoes fired from the outside of the TF ship, including the dish, plus the two other scenes I've mentionned to see if said dish was destroyed or not?

User avatar
l33telboi
Starship Captain
Posts: 910
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:15 am
Location: Finland

Post by l33telboi » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:22 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Does anyone own the prequel DVDs to take a couple of shots from the events of TPM?
Notably, the three impacts of torpedoes fired from the outside of the TF ship, including the dish, plus the two other scenes I've mentionned to see if said dish was destroyed or not?
Sorry, i forgot about posting the screens i promised. I don't have the DVD, just a crappy Divx copy though.

In any case, here's the pic from the sattellite dishes:

Image

In that pic you get an overall view of things, and you can still see the torp racing from the satellite dish.

Though the other scenes, i tried to look for them, but i'm not sure exactly which ones you were referring to. Could you give a little more detail?

User avatar
Mr. Oragahn
Admiral
Posts: 6865
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:58 am
Location: Paradise Mountain

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:00 pm

Wow, class. :)
Thanks.

Here's more info.

The two other scenes resolve around Anakin and him attempting to outrace the droid fighters.

There's two sequences in fact. The first one, he's recovering control over his fighter, thanks to R2.

They fly in a tight group, his N-A vaguely followed by droid fighters. They zap between the dorsal towers, located above the massive engines, behind the joint between the main superstructure (the C) and the core.
They rush towards the core and fly close to the bridge, coming from behind, the one we see in your picture, flanked by the two big dishes.
It looks like the dish on the right is still there, though we only see the apex.

In the second scene, Anakin's attempting manoeuvers to avoid enemy fire.
His fighter is closely tailed by droid fighters. They all come from the port side, underneath the droid control ship, and fly over the left arm to end above it. The camera is filming Anakin's N-1 starboard side, so we can briefly see the bridge tower.

My video is super crappy, and I can't see if the dish is now gone. If it's still there, there's no way we could miss it, since it would stand in the view between the fighter and the bridge tower.
There's just a big black shadow, and I can't make head and tails about what's in that zone of the picture.

Hope this helps.

Post Reply