Star Wars: Fighters vs Capital Ships revisited

[l33telboi]

Alright, so i tried to look for what you wanted, but i'm still not quite sure. In any case, i took screens of all the cases i think you were referring to. If the scene you wanted is till missing, just let me know.



EDIT: Removed the redundant pics.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Thanks for the pics!




^ this corresponds to the second case I mentionned.

A microsecond before Anakin gets hit. Like I said, it's hard to take a good cap in that scene, as it goes very fast, and we don't get a good sight of the tower. That said, it does really look like the dish is gone.

Picture 5 is taken a couple of seconds too late. Lemme check.
Yep, indeed. The moment I'm thinking about is when the droid crashes into the tower. We can see a dish on the right of the screen.
That's curious, but if the dish is still there, it would mean that it was only destroyed after another unseen hit.

Pictures 1, 2 and 4 show the forward smaller tower, ontop of the core. This one only had one smaller dish flanking its port side. They're not useful here. I'm sorry you took them. :(

[l33telboi]

Picture 5 is taken a couple of seconds too late. Lemme check. Yep, indeed. The moment I'm thinking about is when the droid crashes into the tower. We can see a dish on the right of the screen.
That's curious, but if the dish is still there, it would mean that it was only destroyed after another unseen hit.

Am i getting any warmer?

Pictures 1, 2 and 4 show the forward smaller tower, ontop of the core. This one only had one smaller dish flanking its port side. They're not useful here. I'm sorry you took them. :(

Heh, i'll survive. A minute of my life isn't that valuable. :P

[Mr. Oragahn]

That's it!

So let's resume.



A proton torpedoe is fired at the dish. A large explosion ensues.



The dish seems to be fine though. By the size of the dish and its position, we know it's the one flanking the bridge tower's port side.



Unless my eyeballs need a severe update, the dish is no longer there.
Either it was retracted (but then there should be an iris like mechanism to fold in the whole dish in), or it has been destroyed, after a second attack.

The fighters concentrating on the dishes would stand to reason, considering that they're probably the stronger emitters for the droid control channels.

That said, it seems that we have another good case of fighters managing to destroy a piece of a 3 km wide spaceship. The dish itself would have not been necessarily armored, but the interesting feat is that the N-1, often described as crappy fighters, managed to punch through the gargantuan ship's shields and destroy a piece of considerable size.

It's even more interesting now, when you actually consider the yield of those proton torpedoes, which wasn't particularily impressive.

So it would seem that sending the equivalent of two or three wings of fighters does represent a danger to a capital ship, and certainly not the least of them.

Any objection?

[GStone]

I don't, especially with SDs having limited arms underneath and behind the vesels.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Oh, just one question to l33tboi. How do you get those caps? What software do you use?
PM me if you feel unsure about posting this there though.

[l33telboi]

Oh, just one question to l33tboi. How do you get those caps? What software do you use?

I use a program called AVI Splitter, it let's you check vids frame-by-frame and allows you to extract both video and images from the source material. It has come in rather handy and it's quite easy to use.

You can download it from "http://www.brizsoft.com/"

[SailorSaturn13]

Oh, just one question to l33tboi. How do you get those caps? What software do you use?

Virtual Dub, for examlple.

[Knife1138]

Hello all, couldn't resist and had to come babble with you all. First off, cool pics l33tboi.

Seconds, as to:

Unless my eyeballs need a severe update, the dish is no longer there.
Either it was retracted (but then there should be an iris like mechanism to fold in the whole dish in), or it has been destroyed, after a second attack.

Thought I saw it instantly, transfering the pic to paint or something and magnigy and you can make it out. Forgive my simple paint skills;



Simply by tracing the outline. It's there, magnify it yourself if you wish and don't let my horrible paint job fool ya. :)

On the general topic (bare with me, I've read only about a half of this thread so far) you have to keep in mind that there is an incredible difference of scale in starship construction in the SW galaxy. To say that an ISD is more or less invulnerable to a starfighter attack, ergo why make starfighters is missing the point that a squadron of fighters may be a threat against a corvette or a small frigate rather than the huge purpose built ships. The episode I scens bare with this. The antenea is still there and later when Anikin scores one from inside the ship, you flash to the bridge where the TF tech/enlisted reports power loss from the reactor. The officers immeadiate response was that it was impossible, nothing could get past the shields.

That would indicate that even at that point, their shields were far from spent. If that dish had been destroyed, the dialouge would have or should have been a bit different. That's impossible, while the bridge shields are low, the aft shields are still good- or something akin to it.

Fighters in the SW universe can still have many missions besides cap ship engagment. If you insist on having a WWII ish analogy, look at WWI. Planes were more or less not up to attacking heavily defended targets, but they still fought in the war and attacked lightly (all things being realitive) defended targets.

It was only after the plane and it's weapons advanced a bit did they pose a threat to heavily armored and defended ships. Since we know of no single fightership used missile or equivalent than can do that in the SW universe, the fighters must be useful to something else.

[Who is like God arbour]

Thought I saw it instantly, transfering the pic to paint or something and magnigy and you can make it out. Forgive my simple paint skills;



Simply by tracing the outline. It's there, magnify it yourself if you wish and don't let my horrible paint job fool ya. :)

No, the dish is far greater than your outline.



If it would be there, it would be visible. But I can't see it.



All I can see, are some burning residues on the tower. But if there would have been a shield, the tower shouldn't have these burning residues. I think, the shield has collapsed (at least for some time) and the dish was destroyed and that's why there are burning residues on the tower.

The officers immeadiate response was that it was impossible, nothing could get past the shields.

arrogance, nescience, ignorance, fear

Nothing is impossible.

[Jedi Master Spock]

IMO, it does look like the dish is there, and it is larger than that scribbled outline, but it's hard to be sure. Even if you fiddle around with the brightness and contrast, it's almost indistinguishable. A higher resolution shot might make it easier.

[Mr. Oragahn]

It might be the dish. I admit, I had a doubt, that's why I asked for DVD screenshots, but it's really hard to see. Something seemed wrong with the size.

My take on the draw the dish contest:

[Knife1138]

Meh; your's is better. :)

As for size, it fits neatly under the first bridge-like structure on the tower, which in the other shot shows it to be from overhead.

[Nonamer]

Is there a shot of the dish still there? I can't find the dish in the images before the hit.

[Praeothmin]

The problem with your dish drawings is that the angle of the second picture is wrong.
The second picture shows the "supposed" dish just to the right of the tower, in the shadowed portion of the hull, whereas the first picture, the one in which the dish blows up, shows the dish to be in the lighted portion of the hull.
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