Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Didn't see the episode, that's why I said I never saw them.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
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It's already been proven in this thread the United Federation of Planets has the technology, and uses it.leon_caboose wrote:The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
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Where? In what episode?Lucky wrote:It's already been proven in this thread the United Federation of Planets has the technology, and uses it.leon_caboose wrote:The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
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As I already posted: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_ ... _(episode)leon_caboose wrote:Where? In what episode?Lucky wrote:It's already been proven in this thread the United Federation of Planets has the technology, and uses it.leon_caboose wrote:The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
They are treated as common place in other episodes along with ground based weapons like torpedo launchers, phasers, and disruptors.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
It says transporter shield. Suggesting its only meant to block transporters.As I already posted: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_ ... _(episode)
They are treated as common place in other episodes along with ground based weapons like torpedo launchers, phasers, and disruptors.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Which is why the Enterprise tried to fire phasers to punch through it? Here from 6:15 to 7:29.
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If it was a simple transporter block then they could have used shuttles, and blasting through it would not have been considered.leon_caboose wrote:It says transporter shield. Suggesting its only meant to block transporters.As I already posted: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_ ... _(episode)
They are treated as common place in other episodes along with ground based weapons like torpedo launchers, phasers, and disruptors.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elba_II_asylum
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Thats actually a good point. However, the amount of times in the TOS that they could have done something extremely easy (like the time in that one TOS episode theres two kirks, and instead of stunning them both, spock waits for them to fight), makes it very open to debate.If it was a simple transporter block then they could have used shuttles, and blasting through it would not have been considered.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elba_II_asylum
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Nvm, i just read that article in full. It says that it could withstand limited phaser fire. So I retract my statement. The federation DOES have planet sheilds, however im wondering how far they've advanced since then. Do we see any other examples?leon_caboose wrote:Thats actually a good point. However, the amount of times in the TOS that they could have done something extremely easy (like the time in that one TOS episode theres two kirks, and instead of stunning them both, spock waits for them to fight), makes it very open to debate.If it was a simple transporter block then they could have used shuttles, and blasting through it would not have been considered.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elba_II_asylum
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.
This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
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This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.
This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
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Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Well, we do see them use shields on ships and bases, and they are pretty effective, and I fail to see why we should believe planetary shields to be different then all other ST shields displayed, so I'd say "Yes, we really have seen ST shields in use, and they are damn effective", if a whole fllet of Breen ships did relative damage to San Francisco while 20 ships were supposed to do considerable damage to a planet's surface in TidC, and a single Connie was supposed to destroy the civilization centers of an entire planet in "A Taste of Armageddon"...leon_caboose wrote:Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.
This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-Mike
Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.
This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-Mike
Look at any siege of Deep Space 9. A planet isn't all that different from a space station.leon_caboose wrote: Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.
Except for the massive disparity in scale.Lucky wrote:Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.
This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-MikeLook at any siege of Deep Space 9. A planet isn't all that different from a space station.leon_caboose wrote: Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.