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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Khas » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:34 am

Didn't see the episode, that's why I said I never saw them.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1442 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:53 am

The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Lucky » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:23 am

leon_caboose wrote:The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
It's already been proven in this thread the United Federation of Planets has the technology, and uses it.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1442 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:39 am

Lucky wrote:
leon_caboose wrote:The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
It's already been proven in this thread the United Federation of Planets has the technology, and uses it.
Where? In what episode?

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Lucky » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:12 am

leon_caboose wrote:
Lucky wrote:
leon_caboose wrote:The federation however has never actually exhibited that THEY have planetary shields.
It's already been proven in this thread the United Federation of Planets has the technology, and uses it.
Where? In what episode?
As I already posted: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_ ... _(episode)

They are treated as common place in other episodes along with ground based weapons like torpedo launchers, phasers, and disruptors.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1442 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:38 am

As I already posted: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_ ... _(episode)

They are treated as common place in other episodes along with ground based weapons like torpedo launchers, phasers, and disruptors.
It says transporter shield. Suggesting its only meant to block transporters.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Nowhereman10 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:36 am

Which is why the Enterprise tried to fire phasers to punch through it? Here from 6:15 to 7:29.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Lucky » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:45 am

leon_caboose wrote:
As I already posted: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_ ... _(episode)

They are treated as common place in other episodes along with ground based weapons like torpedo launchers, phasers, and disruptors.
It says transporter shield. Suggesting its only meant to block transporters.
If it was a simple transporter block then they could have used shuttles, and blasting through it would not have been considered.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elba_II_asylum

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1442 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:21 pm

If it was a simple transporter block then they could have used shuttles, and blasting through it would not have been considered.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elba_II_asylum
Thats actually a good point. However, the amount of times in the TOS that they could have done something extremely easy (like the time in that one TOS episode theres two kirks, and instead of stunning them both, spock waits for them to fight), makes it very open to debate.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1442 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:23 pm

leon_caboose wrote:
If it was a simple transporter block then they could have used shuttles, and blasting through it would not have been considered.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elba_II_asylum
Thats actually a good point. However, the amount of times in the TOS that they could have done something extremely easy (like the time in that one TOS episode theres two kirks, and instead of stunning them both, spock waits for them to fight), makes it very open to debate.
Nvm, i just read that article in full. It says that it could withstand limited phaser fire. So I retract my statement. The federation DOES have planet sheilds, however im wondering how far they've advanced since then. Do we see any other examples?

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:11 am

Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.

This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1442 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:19 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.

This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-Mike

Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Praeothmin » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm

leon_caboose wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.

This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-Mike

Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.
Well, we do see them use shields on ships and bases, and they are pretty effective, and I fail to see why we should believe planetary shields to be different then all other ST shields displayed, so I'd say "Yes, we really have seen ST shields in use, and they are damn effective", if a whole fllet of Breen ships did relative damage to San Francisco while 20 ships were supposed to do considerable damage to a planet's surface in TidC, and a single Connie was supposed to destroy the civilization centers of an entire planet in "A Taste of Armageddon"...
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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by Lucky » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:47 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.

This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-Mike
leon_caboose wrote: Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.
Look at any siege of Deep Space 9. A planet isn't all that different from a space station.

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Re: Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

Post by User1468 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:41 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:Only by indirect inference do we get some idea of what 24th century planetary shields are like. "Nightingale" is a good one as we see a full up planetary shield around the Kraylor homeworld, and yet Ensign Kim shows no suprise or amazement at such a thing. This was a shield capable of not only encompassing a full planet, but holding off a fleet of ships blockading it as well as any weapons fire from them.

This does not mean that all Federation planets have equal protection. Betazed was invaded during the Dominion War because it's planetary defenses were "obsolete and undermanned".
-Mike
leon_caboose wrote: Im not gonna say that the federation doesn't use these shields. But its hard to say how effective they are, cause we never see them really.
Look at any siege of Deep Space 9. A planet isn't all that different from a space station.
Except for the massive disparity in scale.

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