What in the Star Wars EU has been contradicted by T-canon?

[Lucky]

What in the Star Wars EU has been contradicted by T-canon?

Off the top of my head we have the EU saying Ryloth is a tidal locked planet, and T-canon saying it's not.

[Trinoya]

The ICS... although some people will try to claim it's irrelevant as the 'higher cannon' supports the ICS although I never once saw a gigaton explosion in the higher cannon... even some of the most generous yields on that asteroid are not the yields stated in the ICS.


The funny part is they act like there isn't a cut off point... when the reality is the levels of cannon act like a filter... it has to get passed each thing up to C level in order to exist basically, and still not be grossly contradicted.

[Mike DiCenso]

Off the top of my head we have the EU saying Ryloth is a tidal locked planet, and T-canon saying it's not.

What about "Storm Over Ryloth" or any of the related episodes that says or shows specifically that planet is not tidal-locked?
-Mike

[Admiral Breetai]

every single feat performed by a Jedi ever..ever in the Eu for starters should be automatically declared invalid for use as evidence for movie based characters entirely

the ICS isn't backed up by anything at all for that matter

[Lucky]

I was hopping people would give examples less obvious then the ICS which are contradicted on two or three levels of G-canon, and Jedi, Sith, and what ever not living up to the EU as has always been the case.

Ryloth not having one side always night and one side always day contradicts a few sources, and makes some story lines impossible.

[User1601]

What in the Star Wars EU has been contradicted by T-canon?

Using twisted warsie-logic, NOTHING contradicts-- they're compulsive liars, and can always cook up some excuse for any inconsistency no matter how absurd.

This is another problem with the "unless it contradicts higher canon" fallacy: rabid warsie denial, and cult-minded dogmatism by which Star Wars is God.

[Mike DiCenso]

Ryloth not having one side always night and one side always day contradicts a few sources, and makes some story lines impossible.

You missed the point of my question. What specific information do we get out of the TCW episodes featuring Ryloth that says it is not tidally locked? In other words, quotes from dialog, descriptions of scenes, links to videos, ect.
-Mike

[User1601]

every single feat performed by a Jedi ever..ever in the Eu for starters should be automatically declared invalid for use as evidence for movie based characters entirely

This meets the standard Warsie "proving a negative" defense-- i.e. they'll claim that "just because they don't do it in the movies, doesn't mean that they CAN'T do it..." even if doing it would save them, but they still don't do it! (Like Vader doing a "Force Crush" or something on an entire starship from light-years away in the EU-- but he can't do it on a few pesky X-wings in ANH).

Then the fun begins as they begin cranking out the wild excuses, like a compulsively lying child caught in a fib!
Like in the "Force Crush" example above, they'll say that "the planets weren't in alignment" or "it doesn't work at close range," or some other excuse similar to those made up by medieval alchemists whenever they failed to turn lead into gold by mixing manure and egg-yolks (FACT!).

It's an age-old standard staple of junk pseudo-science... but like Fonzie said, "Bull makes the world go 'round."

[Admiral Breetai]

man..you really are angry at warsie debaters i mean like I've dealt with more than my fair share of stupid but to jump into a forum and show this amount of hostility up front, the mans either a parody or he's been hit one to many times with Wong based wank

I agree though proving a negative and the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence type debate tactics are really idiotic methods of debate when dealing with fictional characters any ways-though telling them that (or alleging ancient sith are stronger then the movie ones..) tends to cause psychotic rage

[User1601]

man..you really are angry at warsie debaters i mean like I've dealt with more than my fair share of stupid but to jump into a forum and show this amount of hostility up front, the mans either a parody or he's been hit one to many times with Wong based wank

I agree though proving a negative and the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence type debate tactics are really idiotic methods of debate when dealing with fictional characters any ways-though telling them that (or alleging ancient sith are stronger then the movie ones..) tends to cause psychotic rage

True, but all the better to laugh at them. Just consider their "logic" in claiming that the EU is canon "unless it contradicts--" despite that Lucas said the opposite: i.e. they make the most absurd claims, and personal attacks against anyone who differs.

While their "mental gyamnastics" are laughable, it's also important to forget any attempt to reason with them, since they're quite gone far beyond any hope of intellectual integrity... think Eric Cartman in "Fish Sticks," X 100.

[Lucky]

Ryloth not having one side always night and one side always day contradicts a few sources, and makes some story lines impossible.

You missed the point of my question. What specific information do we get out of the TCW episodes featuring Ryloth that says it is not tidally locked? In other words, quotes from dialog, descriptions of scenes, links to videos, ect.
-Mike

We see it go day to night and night to day don't we?

[Mike DiCenso]

We do? This is your claim, Lucky. You have to follow up and show that is backed up with evidence. Is there a particular scene that shows a normal sunrise or sunset scene while on Ryloth?
-Mike

[Lucky]

We do? This is your claim, Lucky. You have to follow up and show that is backed up with evidence. Is there a particular scene that shows a normal sunrise or sunset scene while on Ryloth?
-Mike

In supply lines it looks like the sun is behind the advancing CIS's back at the start, but at the end of the episode the sun seems ot be behind the Republic forces.

End of the episode sun to the Republic's back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0vXyQFwO4s

Beginning/middle sun to the CIS's back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qkP8XueTB4&NR=1

The TV promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT4tq5-yHqQ&NR=1

RYLOTH
JASON: One of the surprises when I read the scripts for the first season of The Clone Wars was that Ryloth was portrayed as a normal, terrestrial world, and not the tide-locked planet beset by heat storms that we'd seen numerous times in the EU.

We looked at ways to preserve the EU vision of Ryloth - the most imaginative explanation I heard was that perhaps the Clone Wars shows took place entirely within the twilight band - but in the end it felt like a really convoluted attempt to deny the obvious. So we let it go and rewrote Ryloth's description to acknowledge that it was a relatively terrestrial, rotating world. But we didn't want to discard everything that had come before, so we took care to include mention of scorching deserts, mountain strongholds and heat storms.

[Mike DiCenso]

Okay, that's better, though it's not one hundred percent clinched that the planet is rotating, since the obvious counter from pro-Wars people would be that the scenes are taking place in different locations on Ryloth, closer or farther away from the sun lit and night side of the planet, thus only appearing to be a conventional progression of day to night.

I would think a more obvious counter to the EU and ICS is the collision of General Grevious's Munificent-class ship with a modest-sized asteroid in the episode "Downfall of a Droid", forcing Grevious to order all aft shield power to the front ones, and one of the droids on the ship's bridge exclaims "Uh oh, that didn't sound good!" indicating that even a low-velocity impact like that one is potentially very dangerous.
-Mike

[Lucky]

Okay, that's better, though it's not one hundred percent clinched that the planet is rotating, since the obvious counter from pro-Wars people would be that the scenes are taking place in different locations on Ryloth, closer or farther away from the sun lit and night side of the planet, thus only appearing to be a conventional progression of day to night.

That would just show the person did not watch the episode closely since even the clips I posted showed the gorge they are fighting in is more or less an oddly straight line. There is not way for the Republic and CIS forces to end up facing the opposite direction they faced at the start of the episode.

The shape of the gorge they were fighting in was an L shape, and the fighting was taking place in the long part of the L.