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Praeothmin
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by Praeothmin » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:08 pm
KSW wrote:Praeothmin wrote:I just realized that I was under the impression that people meant that just turning a ST Tractor Beam on close to the Hyperdrive-equipped ship would affect its capabilities to jump, but I re-read everything and realized the original position was:
If a ST ship has a SW ship in its Tractor Beam, then the SW ship cannot escape in Hyperspace...
Which is normal, since they behave the same way in SW...
I apologize for the mix-up...
That's if the ship is unable to escape the tractor-beam. However even if the tractor-beam was so far away and weak that it was only 1G, then it would precisely duplicate the effect of a planet's gravity, and prevent it from jumping without scrapping the hyperdrive.
So this is where I request for your evidence that Tractor Beams are not unidirectional, and that they in effect create such a great big gravity well, and this is where you also explain how it is that whenever we see ST Tractor Beams being used their immense gravity well doesn't immediately attract any other objects to it...
In fact, since Tractor Beams are so powerful, then why need to point it towards an object at all?
Just turn it on, and any object not using thrusters or "anchored" in place will immediately be pulled in...
This is, again, pure unsupported speculation...
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KSW
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by KSW » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:26 am
Praeothmin wrote:KSW wrote:Praeothmin wrote:I just realized that I was under the impression that people meant that just turning a ST Tractor Beam on close to the Hyperdrive-equipped ship would affect its capabilities to jump, but I re-read everything and realized the original position was:
If a ST ship has a SW ship in its Tractor Beam, then the SW ship cannot escape in Hyperspace...
Which is normal, since they behave the same way in SW...
I apologize for the mix-up...
That's if the ship is unable to escape the tractor-beam. However even if the tractor-beam was so far away and weak that it was only 1G, then it would precisely duplicate the effect of a planet's gravity, and prevent it from jumping without scrapping the hyperdrive.
So this is where I request for your evidence that Tractor Beams are not unidirectional
It's irrelevant, gravity is unidirectional as far as the ship is concerned, it pulls the ship directly to it in ONE direction with ONE gravitational force-vector of 1g, STRAIGHT DOWN.
All else are IRRELEVANT differences. Let me know when you get a clue and I'll send your browser a cookie.
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KSW
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by KSW » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:39 am
Lucky wrote:Picard wrote:Warp drive could probably simulate strong gravity to prevent ships from going into hyperspace... you know, beacouse they do the same thing to propel ships throught space.
MauriceWindows wrote:
I wouldn't think so, because the warp-bubble only affects the ship itself.
However a tractor-beam affects the tractored ship, and can impose a 1G beam from great distances.
Note that this wouldn't stop a ship from going to hyperspace, since the pilot can override the nav-computer, but according to the novel it would likely scrap the hyperdrive.
Not to nitpick, but a warp field(which you are talking about), and a warp bubble are two very different things in Star Trek.
A warp bubble is basically a mini-universe in its own right.
A warp field is what the ship is in, and if it does not completely enclose an object the object will fall apart.
I think in "Brothers," Picard recommends separating the saucer-section and Geordi warns that that "it might rupture the warp-bubble."
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Praeothmin
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by Praeothmin » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:08 pm
KSW wrote:It's irrelevant, gravity is unidirectional as far as the ship is concerned, it pulls the ship directly to it in ONE direction with ONE gravitational force-vector of 1g, STRAIGHT DOWN.
All else are IRRELEVANT differences. Let me know when you get a clue and I'll send your browser a cookie.
This is my ful post:
So this is where I request for your evidence that Tractor Beams are not unidirectional, and that they in effect create such a great big gravity well, and this is where you also explain how it is that whenever we see ST Tractor Beams being used their immense gravity well doesn't immediately attract any other objects to it...
In fact, since Tractor Beams are so powerful, then why need to point it towards an object at all?
Just turn it on, and any object not using thrusters or "anchored" in place will immediately be pulled in...
Which, of course, you have not answered (and won't be able to from now on)...
So your insult still couldn't hide the fact you had no answer... :)
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Mike DiCenso
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by Mike DiCenso » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:10 pm
By the way, there's no mention of a saucer sep rupturing the warp bubble:
PICARD: Mister La Forge, prepare for saucer separation.
WESLEY: Sir, we're at Warp nine three.
PICARD: I am aware of the risks, Ensign. When the umbilical splits, we should regain primary control, do you agree?
LAFORGE:Yes, sir.
PICARD: The saucer module should fall out of warp in two minutes. Be prepared to sweep back. Pull it in with a tractor beam.
WORF: Aye, sir.
PICARD: Initiate auto sequence.
The only thing unusual here was with regards to splitting the umbilical system and regaining control.
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