You are comparing two very different United Federation of Planets and two different Klingon Empires. In the alternate universe, the UFP - Klingon Alliance did not survive that long. The Klingons built themselves up for a war, while the UFP was likely gearing back. The UFP we saw was stagnant.Jasonb wrote:Ok guys you want debate here in Yesterday Enterprise timeline in Starfleet jedi knight I am welling do it on this posts. Lets not mess up any other posts.
Let see arguement for Klingon Empire winning well only what Caption Pircard said and that only has to do starfleet intelligence believe.
Um, Captain Picard was speaking with inside knowledge. Most people within the Federation didn't know that the war was actually going that badly.
A Galaxy Class Starship Jason B. Not to mention an older, but no doubt still armed and viable Ambassador Class Starship. That says nothing about the war as a whole--just that the Klingons tactically did not believe that one or two of these specific ships had a chance at victory.Let see argument for UFP winning. Well Klingon Empire decide send in three warships going suicide mission to destroy one UFP starships
That...actually makes them sound overconfident. Or stupid. Or simply did not believe that they should use them in the battle in either case.and they did not even cloak themselves.
That doesn't prove anything to support your argument Jason. All that proves is that in a previous engagement, that the ships had suffered some sort of damage. I find this incredibly unlikely of course, as it's pretty odd that all three ships had their cloaks damaged to the point that they don't work.Evidence to me that the cloak device those starship not working.
No, she couldn't. This is probably a continuity error, but it was clear that the Enterprise D was giving it her all.USS Enterprise D in practice could take all three on alone if she want offensive.
C.After all USS Enterprise D 5 photon torpedoes took about half the shields of one BOP and USS Enterprise D fire all her phaser one time destroy BOP. if USS Enterprise D only want charging fire both phaser and photon torpedoes at the 3 BOP she destroy at least two them before she need recharge phaser entirely and need reload. Only reason USS Enterprise D did not that was because she had protected USS Enterprise
So why didn't they just DO THAT? See, I don't exactly disagree that the Enterprise should have done that or that is how it should have happened, but the facts are that there is no reason that the Enteprise D can't fire and maneuver at the same time. This isn't a game of D&D. You can make complete move actions and fire weapons AT THE SAME TIME.
So we supposed believe Klingon captions suicidal did it for no reason or desperation to make sure UFP did get another ship so Klingon Empire survival a little longer before getting over run UFP. Also add to factors during Star Terk Apocalypse Rising all Sisko could say war not going well practice meant UFP losing. However Sons of Mogh Worf bother openly admit the Klingon Empire did not stand a chance against UFP. So even have another example of UFP thinking losing against Klingon Empire when it was not.
Of course everyone right their option.
The UFP in DS9 had encountered the Borg and they were in the middle of a growing cold war with the Dominion. The Borg had woken the UFP up and the Dominion forced them to stay awake, that they could indeed be challenged and defeated.
The Klingons of DS9 believed the UFP to be weak because the UFP had grown complacent. Because the UFP believed that nothing could threaten them and the UFP of the alternate past probably believed that the total war the Klingon waged on them wasn't real.
The facts are, there is no reason to believe that Picard was wrong. And there's every reason to believe that Picard, the Enterprise D and the rest of the Federation was really that desperate to win the war.
