Why no reason believe MACO does not existed in DS9 and TNG

[Jasonb]

Simple fact strong evidnece that MACO exist in TOS in both Star Terk movie 5 remember Colonel West. So were was MACO during all TOS the answer Starfleet command basic put trying all different jobs themselves. Late time realize that they need stuff elite commandos and ground forces MACO taking important role in Starfleet get the role Admiral he as Colonel rank in MACO his name Colonel West. In DS9 we never get see Federation navy portal does that mean it does existed either. From what sound like hardly peace loving agency after all Tom want join with love subs. Subs used for two things real world science research which navy portal does not sound like doing or sending commandos into enemy water and carry operations include scout and deploy commandos attacks and carry ambushing in enemy water. Last but not least that sniper rife that we saw DS9 shot wall transporter that kill. Again O brain weapon did know transpoter able again from special force beaming during the Cardassion and UFP war he might area phaser well not work. Which might have not even been true and MACO practice using snipers. In pratice terms never real battle DS9 they could useful good hit and run mission must part. Stand UFP federation foot soldier even security likely good job hold area as MACO commando.

[Lucky]

Simple fact strong evidnece that MACO exist in TOS in both Star Terk movie 5 remember Colonel West. So were was MACO during all TOS the answer Starfleet command basic put trying all different jobs themselves. Late time realize that they need stuff elite commandos and ground forces MACO taking important role in Starfleet get the role Admiral he as Colonel rank in MACO his name Colonel West. In DS9 we never get see Federation navy portal does that mean it does existed either. From what sound like hardly peace loving agency after all Tom want join with love subs. Subs used for two things real world science research which navy portal does not sound like doing or sending commandos into enemy water and carry operations include scout and deploy commandos attacks and carry ambushing in enemy water. Last but not least that sniper rife that we saw DS9 shot wall transporter that kill. Again O brain weapon did know transpoter able again from special force beaming during the Cardassion and UFP war he might area phaser well not work. Which might have not even been true and MACO practice using snipers. In pratice terms never real battle DS9 they could useful good hit and run mission must part. Stand UFP federation foot soldier even security likely good job hold area as MACO commando.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We don't see enough combat to say what Star Fleet ground pounders look like.

[Jasonb]

Simple fact strong evidnece that MACO exist in TOS in both Star Terk movie 5 remember Colonel West. So were was MACO during all TOS the answer Starfleet command basic put trying all different jobs themselves. Late time realize that they need stuff elite commandos and ground forces MACO taking important role in Starfleet get the role Admiral he as Colonel rank in MACO his name Colonel West. In DS9 we never get see Federation navy portal does that mean it does existed either. From what sound like hardly peace loving agency after all Tom want join with love subs. Subs used for two things real world science research which navy portal does not sound like doing or sending commandos into enemy water and carry operations include scout and deploy commandos attacks and carry ambushing in enemy water. Last but not least that sniper rife that we saw DS9 shot wall transporter that kill. Again O brain weapon did know transpoter able again from special force beaming during the Cardassion and UFP war he might area phaser well not work. Which might have not even been true and MACO practice using snipers. In pratice terms never real battle DS9 they could useful good hit and run mission must part. Stand UFP federation foot soldier even security likely good job hold area as MACO commando.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We don't see enough combat to say what Star Fleet ground pounders look like.

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

[Lucky]

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

Take the battle we see on AR-558. Those Federation troops had been fighting without resupply, or reinforcements for five months, and given they were there because of a Dominion communications relay they might have been the Federation equivalent of the US army corp of engineers. This was hardly standard for Star Fleet ground forces, and yet this is possibly the best example of planet side combat during a war in all of Star Trek.

In "Nor the battle strong" we see a battle at a Federation colony, but the colony seems rather small.

We can only guess what a properly equipped Federation ground force would look like.

[Jasonb]

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

Take the battle we see on AR-558. Those Federation troops had been fighting without resupply, or reinforcements for five months, and given they were there because of a Dominion communications relay they might have been the Federation equivalent of the US army corp of engineers. This was hardly standard for Star Fleet ground forces, and yet this is possibly the best example of planet side combat during a war in all of Star Trek.

In "Nor the battle strong" we see a battle at a Federation colony, but the colony seems rather small.

We can only guess what a properly equipped Federation ground force would look like.

Who ever said that AR-558 not effective equipment they start out with 150 soldiers and 50 soldiers left after 6 month bloody fighting. Jem Harder during the final showdown took must of UFP soldiers out. So not that Jem Harder soldier not effective it that they likley at first had mortars like weapon we saw in TOS just much more advance. After all not all the UFP soldiers train in using mortars in 150 maybe 2 train and both could knock out likely mines expoding. You could easily fit in 10 MACO kill action well not to unlikely add doctor a nurse, 70 engineers get number specialist and 60 normal soldiers maybe 40 and some Sisko himself said that we spread little thin sector suggestion UFP military spread fighting battle all over place. I used by that argue star destroyer.net and one admit mortar could little tricky if they not train to us it.

We never real get see real fighting in Star Terk Nor battle strong very minor fire fightings even get hit how battle going.

[Lucky]

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

Take the battle we see on AR-558. Those Federation troops had been fighting without resupply, or reinforcements for five months, and given they were there because of a Dominion communications relay they might have been the Federation equivalent of the US army corp of engineers. This was hardly standard for Star Fleet ground forces, and yet this is possibly the best example of planet side combat during a war in all of Star Trek.

In "Nor the battle strong" we see a battle at a Federation colony, but the colony seems rather small.
We can only guess what a properly equipped Federation ground force would look like.

Who ever said that AR-558 not effective equipment they start out with 150 soldiers and 50 soldiers left after 6 month bloody fighting. Jem Harder during the final showdown took must of UFP soldiers out. So not that Jem Harder soldier not effective it that they likley at first had mortars like weapon we saw in TOS just much more advance. After all not all the UFP soldiers train in using mortars in 150 maybe 2 train and both could knock out likely mines expoding. You could easily fit in 10 MACO kill action well not to unlikely add doctor a nurse, 70 engineers get number specialist and 60 normal soldiers maybe 40 and some Sisko himself said that we spread little thin sector suggestion UFP military spread fighting battle all over place. I used by that argue star destroyer.net and one admit mortar could little tricky if they not train to us it.

We never real get see real fighting in Star Terk Nor battle strong very minor fire fightings even get hit how battle going.

I don't mean to be insulting, but I can't see you actually debating at any other site do to your poor English grammar, but your English is still infinitely better then any other language I know.

I highly doubt they had photon mortars on AR-588. Both sides wanted the relay intact, and when you start lobbing explosives at each other you tend to cause a lot of collateral damage. There is also a distinct lack a craters.

[Jasonb]

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

Take the battle we see on AR-558. Those Federation troops had been fighting without resupply, or reinforcements for five months, and given they were there because of a Dominion communications relay they might have been the Federation equivalent of the US army corp of engineers. This was hardly standard for Star Fleet ground forces, and yet this is possibly the best example of planet side combat during a war in all of Star Trek.

In "Nor the battle strong" we see a battle at a Federation colony, but the colony seems rather small.
We can only guess what a properly equipped Federation ground force would look like.

Who ever said that AR-558 not effective equipment they start out with 150 soldiers and 50 soldiers left after 6 month bloody fighting. Jem Harder during the final showdown took must of UFP soldiers out. So not that Jem Harder soldier not effective it that they likley at first had mortars like weapon we saw in TOS just much more advance. After all not all the UFP soldiers train in using mortars in 150 maybe 2 train and both could knock out likely mines expoding. You could easily fit in 10 MACO kill action well not to unlikely add doctor a nurse, 70 engineers get number specialist and 60 normal soldiers maybe 40 and some Sisko himself said that we spread little thin sector suggestion UFP military spread fighting battle all over place. I used by that argue star destroyer.net and one admit mortar could little tricky if they not train to us it.

We never real get see real fighting in Star Terk Nor battle strong very minor fire fightings even get hit how battle going.

I don't mean to be insulting, but I can't see you actually debating at any other site do to your poor English grammar, but your English is still infinitely better then any other language I know.

I highly doubt they had photon mortars on AR-588. Both sides wanted the relay intact, and when you start lobbing explosives at each other you tend to cause a lot of collateral damage. There is also a distinct lack a craters.

When UFP soldiers defend that real not their problem UFP scout location mortars and then UFP specialist could hit target no risk damage to AR-588 equipment because target far away. More importantly must UFP weapon include likely mortars having setting mortar could set just send bright light that kill anybody touch but not strong enough damage equipment around it. We see phaser do stuff like that why not mortar shells.

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We see phaser do stuff like that why not mortar shells.

Because photon grenades are explosives and phasers are a nadion based directed energy weapon. There is such a large difference in operating principle one cannot assume the abilities of one based on the other.

In DS9: "Paradise lost", "Homefront" some items are mentioned for use of equipping an army, these include phaser rifles, photon grenades, and personal force fields (shame we never see these in use) so this gives us some idea as to what the standard federation infantry would carry.

As for the existence of MACO troops in the 24th century, there is no reason to think they don't or do exist. Only that in situations in which they would seem to have been well suited, they are nowhere to be found, TNG: "Chain of Command Parts I&II". Starfleet seems to just send well trained officers. But, again there is no real evidance either way, just the concept shift between ENT and TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY.

[Jasonb]

We see phaser do stuff like that why not mortar shells.

Because photon grenades are explosives and phasers are a nadion based directed energy weapon. There is such a large difference in operating principle one cannot assume the abilities of one based on the other.

In DS9: "Paradise lost", "Homefront" some items are mentioned for use of equipping an army, these include phaser rifles, photon grenades, and personal force fields (shame we never see these in use) so this gives us some idea as to what the standard federation infantry would carry.

As for the existence of MACO troops in the 24th century, there is no reason to think they don't or do exist. Only that in situations in which they would seem to have been well suited, they are nowhere to be found, TNG: "Chain of Command Parts I&II". Starfleet seems to just send well trained officers. But, again there is no real evidance either way, just the concept shift between ENT and TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY.

MACO was well suit for many mission that the NX Enterprise took part in before they face the Xindi. When some people NX Enterprise held hostages all those times sound good job MACO . All time Kirk used MACO as well and they exist to remember Colonel West.More problem Starfleet caption by choice likelihood did want militerly personal ships until see effect they can be even then might want ship. It very possible fact that Caption taking command USS Enterpise D chain of command I and II did like MACO much either or must MACO whip out during long Cardassion and UFP and assimilation during best of both worlds. After all Cardassion threat nothing compare with Borg. Problem I have with MACO not existed is that we seem every piece equipment one think of when come MACO. photon grenades, transport sniper rifle, chargers and so on. So why starfleet all equipment available that one think MACO and not having agency it self or something like ? That like USA building nuclear power subs and not having navy crew train operation nuclear subs.

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All time Kirk used MACO as well and they exist to remember Colonel West.

Kirk never used MACO's, and Colonel West could easily be just part of Starfleet's ground forces seen in DS9: "Nor the Battle to the Strong" explaining his rank.

MACO was a United Earth ground forces organization. So even if it did exist in the 24th century it would not be a Federation wide force, it would likely fill the role of a planetary defensive force. But in DS9: "Homefront", "Paradise Lost" there is no mention of them, instead they deploy Starfleet personnel to defend earth. Before this deployment Earth had no ground based defensive force, suggesting that MACO was either disbanded or merged into Starfleet as ground forces.

Problem I have with MACO not existed is that we seem every piece equipment one think of when come MACO. photon grenades, transport sniper rifle, chargers and so on. So why starfleet all equipment available that one think MACO and not having agency it self or something like ? That like USA building nuclear power subs and not having navy crew train operation nuclear subs.

But we have seen Starfleet officers operate and utilize that equipment so its existence is not evidence of the existence of a separate MACO organization. In TOS: "Arena" both Kirk, a Starfleet captain, and Lieutenant Kelowitz, a Starfleet tactical officer, expressed familiarity with a photon grenade launcher in their use of it to attack a Gorn ground force. Neither of them were MACO troops and yet they were trained to use that specialized equipment. Again in DS9: "Homefront", "Paradise Lost" they were talking about equipping Starfleet personnel with photon grenades and personal force-fields not MACO troops.

The transport version of the prototype TR-116 rifle was a weapon created by some crazy vulcan in DS9: "Field of Fire" and not commonly in use by Federation forces. The TR-116 rifle was abandoned in favor of regenerative phasers.

[Jasonb]

All time Kirk used MACO as well and they exist to remember Colonel West.

Kirk never used MACO's, and Colonel West could easily be just part of Starfleet's ground forces seen in DS9: "Nor the Battle to the Strong" explaining his rank.

MACO was a United Earth ground forces organization. So even if it did exist in the 24th century it would not be a Federation wide force, it would likely fill the role of a planetary defensive force. But in DS9: "Homefront", "Paradise Lost" there is no mention of them, instead they deploy Starfleet personnel to defend earth. Before this deployment Earth had no ground based defensive force, suggesting that MACO was either disbanded or merged into Starfleet as ground forces.

Problem I have with MACO not existed is that we seem every piece equipment one think of when come MACO. photon grenades, transport sniper rifle, chargers and so on. So why starfleet all equipment available that one think MACO and not having agency it self or something like ? That like USA building nuclear power subs and not having navy crew train operation nuclear subs.

But we have seen Starfleet officers operate and utilize that equipment so its existence is not evidence of the existence of a separate MACO organization. In TOS: "Arena" both Kirk, a Starfleet captain, and Lieutenant Kelowitz, a Starfleet tactical officer, expressed familiarity with a photon grenade launcher in their use of it to attack a Gorn ground force. Neither of them were MACO troops and yet they were trained to use that specialized equipment. Again in DS9: "Homefront", "Paradise Lost" they were talking about equipping Starfleet personnel with photon grenades and personal force-fields not MACO troops.

The transport version of the prototype TR-116 rifle was a weapon created by some crazy vulcan in DS9: "Field of Fire" and not commonly in use by Federation forces. The TR-116 rifle was abandoned in favor of regenerative phasers.

Problem buying O Brian statement is simple fact it is not well design for a weapon that going used another option for a phaser. First ammo it not design carry maximum amount ammo. Why bother putting a integral exographic sensor in it see though walls. If normal transporter able not important the fact has integral exographic sensor something useful for special force something unless also why weapon make minimal amount of noise and such slow rate of fire.For that matter make almost no light when it goes off as well. I sorry look more sharp shoot weapon for special forces then a weapon replace hand phaser in place phaser did not work.

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The problem is, whether or not the weapon is more practical in one application, we are told of its exact use. It was scrapped as a prototype when regenerative phaser technology was developed that could function in the hostile environments that standard phasers couldn't. So, even if it would make sense for the weapon to be in use, we know that it wasn't.

[Jasonb]

The problem is, whether or not the weapon is more practical in one application, we are told of its exact use. It was scrapped as a prototype when regenerative phaser technology was developed that could function in the hostile environments that standard phasers couldn't. So, even if it would make sense for the weapon to be in use, we know that it wasn't.

I say unlike that O Brian tell true first place come that weapon. As for Sisko he know about existed but know next nothing else about it. O Brian fought many war likely know good deal classified information order give cover ups for. For all we know Sisko give the same orders or did not know better first place. Also just pro-type never mass production and never real field test in battle first place why being sold them blackmarket another DS9 espidoe sorry I do not buy it. Long debate amount Star Terk and even Star War fans if Starfleet us it or not in some kind special force.

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I say unlike that O Brian tell true first place come that weapon. As for Sisko he know about existed but know next nothing else about it. O Brian fought many war likely know good deal classified information order give cover ups for.

Based on what evidence? What is the evidence for this claim?

[Jasonb]

I say unlike that O Brian tell true first place come that weapon. As for Sisko he know about existed but know next nothing else about it. O Brian fought many war likely know good deal classified information order give cover ups for.

Based on what evidence? What is the evidence for this claim?

Sisko and O Brian know about it however they could easily cover it up. Fact if starfleet classified weapon systems been used not openly admit to it they well likely us coverup story.