Why no reason believe MACO does not existed in DS9 and TNG

[Jasonb]

We seen smell case that put single bullet contain easily hid someone hand. smell part surround by red stuff think blood.

Her picture of Dax load the gun
http://www.phasers.net/2370/tr-116-19.jpg

We also get blast though pipe during shot out between assimation and person hold gun.

That picture tells us noting about how many cartridges the magazine can hold. From what I'm seeing the TR-116 might be able to hold the same payload as a M-1.
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The design of the TR-116 seems very similar in purpose to the M-1 or M-14. I'm not seeing an assassination weapon.

Did you know netfix I show more evidence if you do?

Also for saying stander of M-14 hardly make effective alternative to phaser or stander rifle. A phaser normal hundreds of shoots and a phaser rifle maybe even millions. It basic sub-machine guns that Federation arm personal with. So UFP sudly change machine gune ability weapons to having careful us ammo area phaser did not work. Type build that used for Tr-116 is made stuff know starfleet it call Tritanium . So build basic easily shoot wood and must metals. O Brian never stated that it did not normal have scaner normal might watch espidoe challenge me that one. bullet way can with mordan technology move believe or not something call guild bullets if they have now or nearly have in 22 century they should have them. Please first proven that T-116 normal carry scan second please proven that phaser beam transporter into room take.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/ ... -soldiers/

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tritanium

[359]

Also for saying stander of M-14 hardly make effective alternative to phaser or stander rifle. A phaser normal hundreds of shoots and a phaser rifle maybe even millions. It basic sub-machine guns that Federation arm personal with. So UFP sudly change machine gune ability weapons to having careful us ammo area phaser did not work.

Except that the TR-116 was designed to function in environments where phasers couldn't. So comparing their capability to that of phasers is pointless and misleading.

Type build that used for Tr-116 is made stuff know starfleet it call Tritanium . So build basic easily shoot wood and must metals.

Why would it ever shoot wood? I'm not sure a wooden projectile would survive the acceleration intact. Tritanium is a strong metal which they fabricated the bullets from, there is nothing odd or special about that.

Please first proven that T-116 normal carry scan second please proven that phaser beam transporter into room take.

You're asking that we prove that the TR-116 normally has the scanner equipped? It doesn't. O'Brien's statement about the scanner indicates that it was not part of the standard model.

O'Brien: I attached a micro transporter to this TR one one six. When I fired, the bullet was beamed into this room a few centimetres away from the melon.
Odo: Where it continued its trajectory. So if the killer used a similar transporter device, that would explain the lack of powder burns on the victims.
O'Brien: And by using an exographic targeting sensor, he was able to scan through the bulkheads.

As for transporting phaser beams, we see it in TNG: "Datalore".

[Lucky]

We seen smell case that put single bullet contain easily hid someone hand. smell part surround by red stuff think blood.

Her picture of Dax load the gun
http://www.phasers.net/2370/tr-116-19.jpg

We also get blast though pipe during shot out between assimation and person hold gun.

That picture tells us noting about how many cartridges the magazine can hold. From what I'm seeing the TR-116 might be able to hold the same payload as a M-1.
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The design of the TR-116 seems very similar in purpose to the M-1 or M-14. I'm not seeing an assassination weapon.

Did you know netfix I show more evidence if you do?

I actually have a subscription, and I'm watching DS9.

Also for saying stander of M-14 hardly make effective alternative to phaser or stander rifle. A phaser normal hundreds of shoots and a phaser rifle maybe even millions. It basic sub-machine guns that Federation arm personal with. So UFP sudly change machine gune ability weapons to having careful us ammo area phaser did not work. Type build that used for Tr-116 is made stuff know starfleet it call Tritanium . So build basic easily shoot wood and must metals. O Brian never stated that it did not normal have scaner normal might watch espidoe challenge me that one. bullet way can with mordan technology move believe or not something call guild bullets if they have now or nearly have in 22 century they should have them. Please first proven that T-116 normal carry scan second please proven that phaser beam transporter into room take.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/ ... -soldiers/

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tritanium

The TR-116 was designed to be used in areas where phasers would not work. It was not meant to replace phasers in general.
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The TR-116 was designed to fill a role similar to what a M-1, M-14, M-16, AK-47, M-4, ect. Just because you can slap the Star Trek equivalent to a suppressor and a high quality sight on it does not mean it was intended for assassinations.

[Jasonb]

We seen smell case that put single bullet contain easily hid someone hand. smell part surround by red stuff think blood.

Her picture of Dax load the gun
http://www.phasers.net/2370/tr-116-19.jpg

We also get blast though pipe during shot out between assimation and person hold gun.

That picture tells us noting about how many cartridges the magazine can hold. From what I'm seeing the TR-116 might be able to hold the same payload as a M-1.
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The design of the TR-116 seems very similar in purpose to the M-1 or M-14. I'm not seeing an assassination weapon.

Did you know netfix I show more evidence if you do?

I actually have a subscription, and I'm watching DS9.

Also for saying stander of M-14 hardly make effective alternative to phaser or stander rifle. A phaser normal hundreds of shoots and a phaser rifle maybe even millions. It basic sub-machine guns that Federation arm personal with. So UFP sudly change machine gune ability weapons to having careful us ammo area phaser did not work. Type build that used for Tr-116 is made stuff know starfleet it call Tritanium . So build basic easily shoot wood and must metals. O Brian never stated that it did not normal have scaner normal might watch espidoe challenge me that one. bullet way can with mordan technology move believe or not something call guild bullets if they have now or nearly have in 22 century they should have them. Please first proven that T-116 normal carry scan second please proven that phaser beam transporter into room take.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/ ... -soldiers/

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tritanium

The TR-116 was designed to be used in areas where phasers would not work. It was not meant to replace phasers in general.
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The TR-116 was designed to fill a role similar to what a M-1, M-14, M-16, AK-47, M-4, ect. Just because you can slap the Star Trek equivalent to a suppressor and a high quality sight on it does not mean it was intended for assassinations.

The bullet made toughest stuff that starfleet as available meaning that if fire it blast right though must walls. No reason bullet that tough also likley expensive to do why bother making bullet blast though any wall.

Also please what exgraphic scanner build only useful be used a from sniper basic weapon either even not used in TR-116.

[Lucky]

The bullet made toughest stuff that starfleet as available meaning that if fire it blast right though must walls. No reason bullet that tough also likley expensive to do why bother making bullet blast though any wall.

I'd like evidence the bullet could do what you claim. It seems like tritanium would be a bad choice for a bullet.

In the real world we tend to use heavy metals because the bullet's with more mass cause more damage.

We cover the heavy metal bullet in a jacket in order to help keep it from melting when fired.

If we want to make a bullet that penetrates armor better we add a core of a harder metal like steal.

Also please what exgraphic scanner build only useful be used a from sniper basic weapon either even not used in TR-116.

That is like saying that a telescope is only useful as a sniper's scope.

We see Sisko looking into a sight built into a phaser rifle at one point that might be similar to the sight added to the TR-116.

The real question is why Star Fleet doesn't just have an entire Tricorder built into every phaser rifle.

[Jasonb]

The bullet made toughest stuff that starfleet as available meaning that if fire it blast right though must walls. No reason bullet that tough also likley expensive to do why bother making bullet blast though any wall.

I'd like evidence the bullet could do what you claim. It seems like tritanium would be a bad choice for a bullet.

In the real world we tend to use heavy metals because the bullet's with more mass cause more damage.

We cover the heavy metal bullet in a jacket in order to help keep it from melting when fired.

If we want to make a bullet that penetrates armor better we add a core of a harder metal like steal.

Also please what exgraphic scanner build only useful be used a from sniper basic weapon either even not used in TR-116.

That is like saying that a telescope is only useful as a sniper's scope.

We see Sisko looking into a sight built into a phaser rifle at one point that might be similar to the sight added to the TR-116.

The real question is why Star Fleet doesn't just have an entire Tricorder built into every phaser rifle.

I explain three reason why I doubt it.
First exgraphic scanner work best moving form room to room. smell device push allow change area scaning. We never seen anything like that on the phaser rifle that smell device push to move room to room. Would have been time would have been useful like they Star Terk first contact.
2 Why did O Brian and Vuclan sight device phaser rifle sensor on to the TR-116 sensor if exgraphic scaner same kind used stander phaser rifle.
3. The exgraphic scaner was design put some eye O Brian openly stated did invent nore any evidnece Vuclan did either. So exgraphic scaner had been used other weapon not been see yet yet in action work similar to snipe rifle.

[359]

First exgraphic scanner work best moving form room to room. smell device push allow change area scaning. We never seen anything like that on the phaser rifle that smell device push to move room to room. Would have been time would have been useful like they Star Terk first contact.

Just because something is not seen in situations where it would be useful, does not disprove its shown use. In fact, it does not prove or disprove anything.

2 Why did O Brian and Vuclan sight device phaser rifle sensor on to the TR-116 sensor if exgraphic scaner same kind used stander phaser rifle.

Because it is not used on the phaser rifle? Or the scanner is integrated into the phaser rifle for practical and aesthetic reasons?

3. The exgraphic scaner was design put some eye O Brian openly stated did invent nore any evidnece Vuclan did either. So exgraphic scaner had been used other weapon not been see yet yet in action work similar to snipe rifle.

Or it is just some scanner which they affixed to the TR-116 because it would work for that sort of thing.

[Jasonb]

First exgraphic scanner work best moving form room to room. smell device push allow change area scaning. We never seen anything like that on the phaser rifle that smell device push to move room to room. Would have been time would have been useful like they Star Terk first contact.

Just because something is not seen in situations where it would be useful, does not disprove its shown use. In fact, it does not prove or disprove anything.

2 Why did O Brian and Vuclan sight device phaser rifle sensor on to the TR-116 sensor if exgraphic scaner same kind used stander phaser rifle.

Because it is not used on the phaser rifle? Or the scanner is integrated into the phaser rifle for practical and aesthetic reasons?

3. The exgraphic scaner was design put some eye O Brian openly stated did invent nore any evidnece Vuclan did either. So exgraphic scaner had been used other weapon not been see yet yet in action work similar to snipe rifle.

Or it is just some scanner which they affixed to the TR-116 because it would work for that sort of thing.

How people take part and phaser rifle put bather gather each part O Brian not that lazy nore Vulcan for that matter the rifle we saw Star Trek first contact anyone could done even me. Also be able scan thought wall little to no sense less the phaser weapon and transporter never see a phaser rifle fire that way. Also that eye piece exgraphic scaner make no sense having unless try account hit target behind wall. I mean able target organs which make sense if trying make sure do not hit human shield by mistake. Again some that kind accounts perfect anti terrorism options or aviod hurt civlian during fire fight. mean have phaser or bulllet weapon us transpoter take enemy. It not work well comes to just stander phaser rifle nore it make any sense put on one.

[Lucky]

First exgraphic scanner work best moving form room to room. smell device push allow change area scaning. We never seen anything like that on the phaser rifle that smell device push to move room to room. Would have been time would have been useful like they Star Terk first contact.

We see sights that are built into phasers be they "rifles" or "pistols", and there are a wide range of sensors used by Star Fleet that can easily be modified into a sighting system for a weapon.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSWground-tricord.html

You need to prove that the Exographic sensors aren't things Star Fleet just has laying around..

2 Why did O Brian and Vuclan sight device phaser rifle sensor on to the TR-116 sensor if exgraphic scaner same kind used stander phaser rifle.

We don't know what kind of sighting system is used on the standard Phaser models. We do know that it at least superficially looks similar. Star Fleet is no stranger to weapon mounted sights.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSW-Alyeska1.html

3. The exgraphic scaner was design put some eye O Brian openly stated did invent nore any evidnece Vuclan did either. So exgraphic scaner had been used other weapon not been see yet yet in action work similar to snipe rifle.

We see eye peaces used in Star Trek from time to time. There is nothing strange there.

We see something similar to the eye peace used with the TR-116 mounted on phaser rifles.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSW-Alyeska1.html
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There is actually an episode of Deep Space Nine where we get to see what the characters see through the sights on a phaser, but I can't recall which episode.

[359]

There is actually an episode of Deep Space Nine where we get to see what the characters see through the sights on a phaser, but I can't recall which episode.

It was in DS9: "Shakaar". But they were not Federation rifles, they were some scavenged weapons from the Bajoran resistance. As far as can recall that is the only instance where we see through phaser sights.

Kira's:

Shakaar's:

[Jasonb]

First exgraphic scanner work best moving form room to room. smell device push allow change area scaning. We never seen anything like that on the phaser rifle that smell device push to move room to room. Would have been time would have been useful like they Star Terk first contact.

We see sights that are built into phasers be they "rifles" or "pistols", and there are a wide range of sensors used by Star Fleet that can easily be modified into a sighting system for a weapon.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSWground-tricord.html

You need to prove that the Exographic sensors aren't things Star Fleet just has laying around..

2 Why did O Brian and Vuclan sight device phaser rifle sensor on to the TR-116 sensor if exgraphic scaner same kind used stander phaser rifle.

We don't know what kind of sighting system is used on the standard Phaser models. We do know that it at least superficially looks similar. Star Fleet is no stranger to weapon mounted sights.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSW-Alyeska1.html

3. The exgraphic scaner was design put some eye O Brian openly stated did invent nore any evidnece Vuclan did either. So exgraphic scaner had been used other weapon not been see yet yet in action work similar to snipe rifle.

We see eye peaces used in Star Trek from time to time. There is nothing strange there.

We see something similar to the eye peace used with the TR-116 mounted on phaser rifles.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSW-Alyeska1.html
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There is actually an episode of Deep Space Nine where we get to see what the characters see through the sights on a phaser, but I can't recall which episode.

With the Maquis and Bajor terrorist lying around the place Exographic sensors starfleet command going having piece equipment like that lying around to aid terrorism campaign. From what we know about starfleet command making very hard wrong person get hands piece equipment special those used for military uses.
Also found another piece evidnece TR-116 was must like used for MACO .

Sisko statement about Ensign Bertram when he excuse republication TR-116. Sisko siad evidence that he not kill 3 starfleet officers was that he on Bajor not the he did have a mirco transporter attached to it in quartos and Exographic sensors. So again if he had both on rifle it means they stander equipment.

[Lucky]

With the Maquis and Bajor terrorist lying around the place Exographic sensors starfleet command going having piece equipment like that lying around to aid terrorism campaign. From what we know about starfleet command making very hard wrong person get hands piece equipment special those used for military uses.

I'm sorry, I forgot your English is poor. I did not mean that Star Fleet literally left the sight laying around. I meant that the sight used in the episode is not some peace of advanced technology in the Federation's eyes.

It seems like the sight in question may be to the powers in Star Trek what a "night vision" scope would be to the real world. Civilians can purchase various types of "night vision" equipment in the U.S.A. for example, and the Federation has seemingly lax weapons laws.

Also found another piece evidnece TR-116 was must like used for MACO .

Sisko statement about Ensign Bertram when he excuse republication TR-116. Sisko siad evidence that he not kill 3 starfleet officers was that he on Bajor not the he did have a mirco transporter attached to it in quartos and Exographic sensors. So again if he had both on rifle it means they stander equipment.

Please provide the quote.

Why would it matter if the transporter was on the gun in question at the time Sisko was looking at it? The transporter was not part of the original design, and would logically be removable much like modern suppressors.

[Jasonb]

With the Maquis and Bajor terrorist lying around the place Exographic sensors starfleet command going having piece equipment like that lying around to aid terrorism campaign. From what we know about starfleet command making very hard wrong person get hands piece equipment special those used for military uses.

I'm sorry, I forgot your English is poor. I did not mean that Star Fleet literally left the sight laying around. I meant that the sight used in the episode is not some peace of advanced technology in the Federation's eyes.

It seems like the sight in question may be to the powers in Star Trek what a "night vision" scope would be to the real world. Civilians can purchase various types of "night vision" equipment in the U.S.A. for example, and the Federation has seemingly lax weapons laws.

Also found another piece evidnece TR-116 was must like used for MACO .

Sisko statement about Ensign Bertram when he excuse republication TR-116. Sisko siad evidence that he not kill 3 starfleet officers was that he on Bajor not the he did have a mirco transporter attached to it in quartos and Exographic sensors. So again if he had both on rifle it means they stander equipment.

Please provide the quote.

Why would it matter if the transporter was on the gun in question at the time Sisko was looking at it? The transporter was not part of the original design, and would logically be removable much like modern suppressors.

Siske statement in total
SISKO
Because a month ago, he accessed
the Replicator patterns for the
TR-one-one-six... without
authorization.

JORAN
Sounds guilty to me.

EZRI
(to Sisko)
Why would he replicate a rifle
unless he was going to use it?

SISKO
He collects weapons. Federation,
Klingon, Cardassian...

JORAN
What a coincidence.

EZRI
That doesn't rule him out as a
suspect.

SISKO
True. But the fact that he was
on Bajor when the first murder
occurred does.

They never show the investigation.

modern suppressors leave smell amount evidence put on and off. Starfleet has the technology pick up someone beam took place. They likley scan anything beam out barrel when being fired. Not include had effect physical barrel it self each time bullet fire weak but something easily task for tricorder to do. Smell change heat would minor marks fact mark no were found near end rifle been overwhelming evidence. Him being Bajor being Sisko biggest piece evidence almost provens trainspotter stander part of TR-116.

STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
"Inquisition"
KIRA
(to Sisko)
We went over Julian's quarters but
we didn't find any residual
transporter signatures. They
either got him off the station
some other way, or they have
Transporter technology we can't
detect.

[Lucky]

With the Maquis and Bajor terrorist lying around the place Exographic sensors starfleet command going having piece equipment like that lying around to aid terrorism campaign. From what we know about starfleet command making very hard wrong person get hands piece equipment special those used for military uses.

I'm sorry, I forgot your English is poor. I did not mean that Star Fleet literally left the sight laying around. I meant that the sight used in the episode is not some peace of advanced technology in the Federation's eyes.

It seems like the sight in question may be to the powers in Star Trek what a "night vision" scope would be to the real world. Civilians can purchase various types of "night vision" equipment in the U.S.A. for example, and the Federation has seemingly lax weapons laws.

Also found another piece evidnece TR-116 was must like used for MACO .
Sisko statement about Ensign Bertram when he excuse republication TR-116. Sisko siad evidence that he not kill 3 starfleet officers was that he on Bajor not the he did have a mirco transporter attached to it in quartos and Exographic sensors. So again if he had both on rifle it means they stander equipment.

provide the quote.

Why would it matter if the transporter was on the gun in question at the time Sisko was looking at it? The transporter was not part of the original design, and would logically be removable much like modern suppressors.

Siske statement in total
SISKO
Because a month ago, he accessed
the Replicator patterns for the
TR-one-one-six... without
authorization.

JORAN
Sounds guilty to me.

EZRI
(to Sisko)
Why would he replicate a rifle
unless he was going to use it?

SISKO
He collects weapons. Federation,
Klingon, Cardassian...

JORAN
What a coincidence.

EZRI
That doesn't rule him out as a
suspect.

SISKO
True. But the fact that he was
on Bajor when the first murder
occurred does.

They never show the investigation.

That looks like they ruled one guy out as a suspect because he could not have committed the crime to me. He broke the rules, and will likely be punished. People collect what are seemingly odd things at times, and weapons are hardly the oddest thing to collect.

Modern suppressors leave smell amount evidence put on and off. Starfleet has the technology pick up someone beam took place. They likley scan anything beam out barrel when being fired. Not include had effect physical barrel it self each time bullet fire weak but something easily task for tricorder to do. Smell change heat would minor marks fact mark no were found near end rifle been overwhelming evidence. Him being Bajor being Sisko biggest piece evidence almost provens trainspotter stander part of TR-116.

STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
"Inquisition"
KIRA
(to Sisko)
We went over Julian's quarters but
we didn't find any residual
transporter signatures. They
either got him off the station
some other way, or they have
Transporter technology we can't
detect.

The problem is that we don't have enough information on what the after effects of transporters are. For all we know the after effects could all be inside the barrel of the gun.

[Jasonb]

With the Maquis and Bajor terrorist lying around the place Exographic sensors starfleet command going having piece equipment like that lying around to aid terrorism campaign. From what we know about starfleet command making very hard wrong person get hands piece equipment special those used for military uses.

I'm sorry, I forgot your English is poor. I did not mean that Star Fleet literally left the sight laying around. I meant that the sight used in the episode is not some peace of advanced technology in the Federation's eyes.

It seems like the sight in question may be to the powers in Star Trek what a "night vision" scope would be to the real world. Civilians can purchase various types of "night vision" equipment in the U.S.A. for example, and the Federation has seemingly lax weapons laws.

Also found another piece evidnece TR-116 was must like used for MACO .
Sisko statement about Ensign Bertram when he excuse republication TR-116. Sisko siad evidence that he not kill 3 starfleet officers was that he on Bajor not the he did have a mirco transporter attached to it in quartos and Exographic sensors. So again if he had both on rifle it means they stander equipment.

provide the quote.

Why would it matter if the transporter was on the gun in question at the time Sisko was looking at it? The transporter was not part of the original design, and would logically be removable much like modern suppressors.

Siske statement in total
SISKO
Because a month ago, he accessed
the Replicator patterns for the
TR-one-one-six... without
authorization.

JORAN
Sounds guilty to me.

EZRI
(to Sisko)
Why would he replicate a rifle
unless he was going to use it?

SISKO
He collects weapons. Federation,
Klingon, Cardassian...

JORAN
What a coincidence.

EZRI
That doesn't rule him out as a
suspect.

SISKO
True. But the fact that he was
on Bajor when the first murder
occurred does.

They never show the investigation.

That looks like they ruled one guy out as a suspect because he could not have committed the crime to me. He broke the rules, and will likely be punished. People collect what are seemingly odd things at times, and weapons are hardly the oddest thing to collect.

Modern suppressors leave smell amount evidence put on and off. Starfleet has the technology pick up someone beam took place. They likley scan anything beam out barrel when being fired. Not include had effect physical barrel it self each time bullet fire weak but something easily task for tricorder to do. Smell change heat would minor marks fact mark no were found near end rifle been overwhelming evidence. Him being Bajor being Sisko biggest piece evidence almost provens trainspotter stander part of TR-116.

STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
"Inquisition"
KIRA
(to Sisko)
We went over Julian's quarters but
we didn't find any residual
transporter signatures. They
either got him off the station
some other way, or they have
Transporter technology we can't
detect.

The problem is that we don't have enough information on what the after effects of transporters are. For all we know the after effects could all be inside the barrel of the gun.

The tircorder often scaner device that can removed smell enough stick into barral rifle itself as way checking if transporter was used.